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A Difference of Opinion, A Sharing of Conviction

I expressed some frustration (to say the least) with a post by Patterico in my last post, where I linked to HotAir Headlines. Patterico was classy enough to engage many of his critics (including myself) in that post and further explain his position. I still disagree with him, but I may have expressed a little too much heated opposition to his stance on this issue, which may have unfairly given the wrong impression to anyone who reads my blog (which from my stats doesn’t seem to be many anyway, but just in case) about my opinion of Patterico’s work and opinions.

He has done excellent work at his website in calling out the LA Times on their often left-biased and sometimes outright false reporting. Not to mention he has had a great series with “stashiu” regarding the atmosphere at GTMO. So while I very much take issue and disagree with his stance on this issue, he is definitely an asset to the conservative movement overall.

Here is a little of the back-and-forth I had with him at HotAir Headlines after he came to engage his critics:

I’m not sure Americans understand. And there are ways of saying the same thing without saying “I hope he fails” — phraseology that creates controversy and is easily misinterpreted.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Yep. As I said yesterday, Rush should have stated “I hate Barack Obama and everything he stands for”. Americans understand that much better. The DNC ran with that and with their 4 year message of hate, vitriol, smears, demonizing and destroying their opponents and rode that to two strong electoral victories.

So I agree. Rush should apologize for the “fail” rhetoric and move to a much better message that the American people understand and embrace: “HATE”.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM

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Well, y’all Rush fans listen to the nuance, but too many Americans aren’t hearing it that way. They are hearing a guy who sounds like he’s saying he doesn’t want Obama to help the country. Their misperception — fueled in part by his way of phrasing the argument — puts conservatives on defense.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Actually, no. When Americans hear everything Rush is saying, it is pretty damn easy to understand. There’s no “nuance” about it. When Americans hear the propaganda of the mass media and only 4 words “I hope he fails”, then yes, the American public gets the wrong message.

But any person with a lick of common sense will then say “What? He wants Obama to fail? What does he mean by that?” and then s/he will find out what Rush meant by that. After about 30 seconds of an explanation of what that means, most non-retarded people will understand it completely.

I really don’t know what you and AllahPundit and the rest of the Rush critics find so gawddamned difficult about this.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 8:47 PM

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We can’t afford to be on defense. 

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM

That’s exactly what this whole circular firing squad is about….

sven10077 on March 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM

EXACTLY.

The “I hope he fails” was Rush going on OFFENSE against Obama. He was taking the lead of the conservative movement and the opposition. He was at the tip of the spear. He was opposing socialism, communism and Marxism as clearly as anyone could and leading the charge for the conservative movement to join him in going on offense against Obama.

But, instead of doing that, what does the conservative movement do? Goes all pu$$y and wrings their hands about whether we’re saying things the right way and whether we are going to be interpreted wrongly or whether we’re not going to be liked or whatever other wussy crap.

Now, instead of all of us joining Limbaugh and unabashedly, unapologetically speaking in one LOUD ASS voice against Obama’s socialism, communism and Marxism policies which are destroying the economy, some are sitting here attacking Rush, the leader of the movement, thus pulling the rug right out from under our attack and putting us on the defensive.

Brilliant job. We had the White House and the Left on the ropes by attacking them and saying we hoped they and their policies failed, and all half the conservative movement can do is wring their hands about rhetoric and nuance and thus give the upper hand right back to the Left and Obama.

Just absolutely brilliant.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 8:55 PM

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My hero is Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a great conservative not because he went around saying he wanted people to fail. He was a great conservative because he stood his ground on conservative principles and explained to people why they those principle would help them.

You equate being tough with saying things in a way that (whether you realize it or not) alienates a lot of Americans. It’s not necessary.

The guy putting Republicans on defense isn’t me, the gnat criticizing Rush Limbaugh. It’s Rush Limbaugh, together with the leftist media that takes his easily twisted rhetoric and (whaddya know) twists it.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM

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You can say such people ar stupid/ignorant/uninformed/etc. but those people vote too, and there are constructive ways to formulate messages and non-constructive ways.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Patterico – I am speaking from a reference of actually spending weeks and months talking facts with people all last year during the campaign. I sent long e-mails laying out policies and laying out Obama’s history and associations and background. I explained conservatism and liberalism. I researched policies like healthcare to explain why universal healthcare was bad, etc etc etc. And you know what 99% of these people I tried to convince said?

I was racist, I was a bigot, I was a hatemonger, I was lying, I was making sh** up to smear a Black man, I was ignorant, I was brainwashed by FOX News, I was just a stupid Bible-thumping hick, etc etc etc.

You all need to start getting it through to yourselves that with a lot of people, it just doesn’t freaking matter. We can’t worry about the ignorant, the morons and the racist pieces of dogpoo who aren’t gonna listen to one damn word we say. I personally can give a crap about them. If people are too stupid to not understand “I hope he fails” and that turns them off, but they are smart enough to understand “I hate Republicans and everything they stand for” and “He betrayed this country! He played on our fears!” and “Bush Lied! People Died!” and comparing our military to Nazis and comparing Bush to Hitler and saying GEN Petraeus is a liar… then you know what? F*** em. Because nothing is going to get through to those people.

But there are plenty of people who are smart enough to understand “I hope he fails”. And there is absolutely no damn reason for us to sit here and wring our hands over this instead of unabashedly and unapologetically support and promote this message. And when people demonize us as they are demonizing Rush? We get in their faces as the Left has done the last 8 years and we explain to them loudly and proudly what we mean by that.

We list off every policy Obama is pushing and we say we want it to fail. Period.

Seriously, this hand wringing on the right is getting tiresome. The Right needs to unite or we are all f***ed as a nation, not just an ideology or political party.

All that said, just so you know this is not some personal thing I have against you, I really admire your work keeping the LA Times in check and calling them on their BS as well as the interviews you had with the man who was at GTMO. You do a great job with your blog, even though I greatly disagree with you here.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 9:04 PM

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Michael, I get what you’re saying about being treated like crap and a racist for saying what you believe. I could tell you some stories. But we’ll save that for another time.

My point is that you’re not going to get the chance to have this dialogue with everybody — and some of the people who are going to be affected by this aren’t hopeless morons. They’re just politically uninvolved people who don’t follow these issues like you and I do.

And you’re absolutely right: the media will twist and turn everything. But you can make it easier for them to do so, or you can make it harder. Saying “I hope he fails” makes it easier.

Thanks for the kind words about the L.A. Times. I took a little risk with my post to make a point — knowing that some people would get upset because they look at it too superficially. I don’t put you in that category. I think you understand I’m coming at this from a perspective of wanting to help the conservative movement. We may not agree on exactly how to do it but we probably agree on more than you think.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 9:11 PM

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Great for a talk radio host. Not so great for the lawmakers who get quizzed about whether they agree.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Oh please, Patterico. How gawddamned difficult is it to look straight into the camera or look the interviewer in the eye and answer “Yes. I agree wholeheartedly with Rush Limbaugh. I want Obama to fail in his socialist, anti-capitalist policies as well”.

Tell me. How difficult is that?

This is why the GOP and the Right fail. Because you and others decide to grant the premise to the Left and grant the battlefield to the Left and play by their rules. Instead of saying, no, we are not playing by your rules anymore. We are not granting your premise and we are not letting you twist our words.

How difficult would it have been for every GOP member, when asked about Rush’s comments, to go on the air and loudly and proudly say “Yes. I agree with Rush Limbaugh. I want Obama’s socialist, anti-capitalist policies to fail.” Every single one of them. Over and over and over. GOP member after GOP member, repeating repeating repeating “socialist policies to fail”. THAT would have been the message put out to the public over and over and over again getting the public to start thinking “socialist, anti-capitalist? hmmmm”.

Instead, the GOP is on defense. Brilliant.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 9:11 PM

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Thanks for the kind words about the L.A. Times. I took a little risk with my post to make a point — knowing that some people would get upset because they look at it too superficially. I don’t put you in that category. I think you understand I’m coming at this from a perspective of wanting to help the conservative movement. We may not agree on exactly how to do it but we probably agree on more than you think.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 9:11 PM

I am a HUGE fan of Rush, as I have grown to really appreciate and admire him since I started listening to his show around September of 2001 after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. So I am admittedly very reflexively defensive when I see people whom I think are going after him and not appreciating his message and effort. We do disagree on method in this case, but you’re right, I don’t question where you stand on the case of conservatism and wanting what is good for this country. I just have gotten so fed up with people spending more time going after Rush and, I feel, playing right into the Left’s plan, than rallying around Rush and unapologetically and unabashedly going after Obama and his cohorts.

The way I see it, we are in a battle (of ideas and ideologies) and our leader has just yelled “CHARGE!” and is going forward full steam at the enemy. Now, instead of all of us falling in behind him taking his lead and uniting to defeat the enemy at the other end of the field, half of us are charging and the other half are waiting behind going “wait a minute, I’m not sure if now’s the right time to charge or if we’re in the right formation or if our swords are sharp enough, etc etc etc”. Meanwhile, the enemy has heard the “CHARGE!” call and is now pushing forward to counterattack.

What are we left with? Our leader going foward with half his men, attacking an enemy at full strength. Meanwhile their leader sits on a hill looking over the battlefield laughing at how his enemy is splintered and divided.

I just don’t see what benefit you and the rest of your Rush critic cohorts felt was going to come from separating yourselves from Rush and dividing the Right rather than deciding to unite with Rush and unite the Right. Where we differ is you see Rush as the problem and I see you and your cohorts splitting the Right as the problem.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM

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Michael,

If I think the army is charging in the wrong direction, it’s my function to help get it pointed in the right direction first, and then scream battle cries.

I’m not going to go around screaming “I hope he fails!” because it’s too easy to twist. I just don’t think it’s smart. I want to fight but in a smart way that wins us more voters. It’s a war of ideas and in a war of ideas perceptions matter. Doesn’t mean you abandon your principles. Hold to them and be smart about it.

Patterico on March 5, 2009 at 9:26 PM

March 5, 2009 , 9:55PM Posted by | Barack Obama, Communism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Marxism, Rush Limbaugh | 1 Comment

The GOP Should Treat Americans as the Ignorant Dopes that They Are

That seems to be the message that critics of Rush Limbaugh, such as Patterico, are saying. Apparently, the American public is too stupid to understand the “nuance” behind “I hope [Obama] fails” in his efforts to destroy capitalism in America and install socialism. Apparently, people such as Patterico and AllahPundit and some other so-called “moderates”, posing as standard bearers of the conservative movement, think our message to the American public needs to be more on a less “nuanced” level the ignorant dopes can understand.

I’m sorry, but I am getting sick of these people. Rush Limbaugh, for the past 20 years, has been doing nothing, but using the 3 hours of his show each weekday to teach, inform, educate and inspire people about the bedrock principles of conservatism and explaining to people how it has been through conservatism and capitalism that this country has become the greatest, most prosperous nation in the history of the world in a mere 233 years. He explains and informs and educates about history and about the economy and about how conservative and liberal policies have succeeded and failed, respectively, every time they have been tried all across the world.

Rush has been converting people from all ranks of life, of all ages and of all political ideologies to conservatism for 20 years. Those who actually take the time to listen to his message and appreciate all he has to explain, educate, inform and inspire, are those who benefit the most from his message.

When I see posts like that from Patterico, it tells me that instead of wanting to improve this nation, instead of wanting to lift this nation up to being more informed, more educated and more inspired to do something with that better information and knowledge, people like Patterico simply want to accept the ignorance of this nation and craft a strategy around that. As Michael Steele put it a “hip hop” strategy of pandering to ignorance and small attention spans.

In other words, they simply want to try to pander to ignorance and win an election here and there, rather than think long term and teach and inform and educate people so that they finally understand the ills and failures of socialism and Marxism and liberalism and the benefits and successes of conservatism and capitalism. If that knowledge and education takes root, then we won’t have to worry in the future about socialist/communist/Marxist candidates like Obama, because the nation will be informed enough to reject such lousy ideology outright.

Rush is a teacher who wants to improve the knowledge and education and inspiration of his students, which are his fellow Americans. It seems to me that those such as Patterico and AllahPundit and other Rush critics are just panderers and politicians who are more concerned with winning elections with the ends justifying the means.

They are not statesmen. They are pandering politicians. They are exactly what they usually criticize in their writings. That is sad and disheartening, because they have established themselves in this day and age of the blog as influential bloggers in their own right, and they could have a much greater influence of teaching and educating and inspiring as Rush does. But instead of doing that, they seemingly choose to simply make a name for themselves by criticizing a man who is doing what they should be doing, but for some reason are too afraid, lazy or unwilling to do.

Here is what I contributed to the thread at HotAir Headlines:

But, you know, that’s nuance.

The problem is, Americans have short attention spans and don’t always do nuance well.

In other words… Americans are ignorant morons, and instead of doing what Rush does on his show every day and trying to teach and inform and educate and inspire in order to turn people from ignoramuses into informed, educated inspired citizens, people such as Patterico want us to accept the public as ignorant morons and frame our selling points to them in dumbed down ways. Brilliant.

Yeah, I’ll stick with Rush’s strategy, thank you.

I hope Rush Limbaugh fails in his attempt to set himself up as the de facto head of the Republican Party

Uh, Patterico? Are you dense? The Left, Democrats and Obama are attempting to set Rush up as the de facto head of the Republican Party. Rush is, and has been for a while, the defacto head of the Conservative movement. Big difference.

The fact that good intelligent (I thought) people like AllahPundit and Patterico are too lazy or dense or jealous of Rush to recognize the difference is sad and disheartening.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 7:08 PM

March 5, 2009 , 7:56PM Posted by | Conservatism, Republicans, Rush Limbaugh | Comments Off

‘Teleprompter Jesus’ More and More Fitting a Nickname Every Day

Ed Morrissey at HotAir notes that Teleprompter Jesus is living up to the moniker more and more. Here was my response to a comment he made in the post:

Using it at press briefings, though, looks more like Obama is helpless without a script [rather] than a man relying on technology for success.

Good point. I would compare it to those of the recent technology generation who know how to use computer programs and calculators to solve problems, but when asked to calculate something in their head or on a piece of paper when those technology tools are not available, they cannot do it. It’s the difference between understanding a concept and understanding how to use a piece of technology that understands the concept.

There’s a difference between knowing how to press the keypads for 28 + 29 = and getting 57 and actually knowing how to do the long addition of 8+9 = 17 carry the 1 + 2 + 2 = 57.

Back to Obama. He knows how to read and make words sound nice, but he doesn’t really know what he is saying or believe in what he is saying. It’s all empty rhetoric.

Michael in MI on March 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM

And really, people need to start asking the serious question here: Knowing Barack Obama’s entire political history of Marxism, communism and socialism, is the reason that he has to be kept reading a teleprompter all the time, because if he is let off message, he could let slip his *true* feelings and beliefs (and intentions for America?) of Marxism, communism and socialism?

Add the teleprompter issue up with his failure to speak to the international press and failure to answer serious questions and preference to divert everyone’s attention away to a completely irrelevant fued with Rush Limbaugh, and people better start asking themselves what is it that Barack Obama and his band of merry Marxists are hiding from the American people?

March 5, 2009 , 7:29PM Posted by | Barack Obama, Communism, Liberalism, Marxism, Socialism | Comments Off

If You Have the Principle Down Pat, Then, by Definition, the Policies Follow

This is just yet another reason why I am such a HUGE, UNAPOLOGETIC fan of Rush Limbaugh: The Definitions of Conservatism

But regardless, one of the criticisms that I have faced from these people is that I gave a totally rotten definition of conservatism, that I’m such an idiot I don’t even know what conservatism is. This is people supposedly on my team saying this. And, of course, my definition of conservatism, as I just explained, was to counter the public description, the left’s description of us as conservatives, because that’s what they think, people who aren’t conservatives, that’s what they think conservatism is. So my explanation was to counter that. The second thing that I’m being dragged on the coals for is I supposedly advised Republicans to forget about policy and focus on principle and philosophy. These people are having a cow over the fact, “How can you come back without policy, you’ve gotta have policy! You’ve gotta have some strategic policies to announce to people, things that you’re for.” See, this is what’s happened to the conservative movement that the so-called best and brightest who you’ve never heard of, and you won’t on this program, the best and brightest in our movement don’t understand the role of principle, and they don’t understand the role of philosophy.

If you have the principle down pat, and if you have the philosophy down pat, then by definition, the policies follow. But these people, by the way, want to change conservatism. They’re trying to redefine it and make it Democrat lite, because they think the situations today are different than they were in the eighties, and of course we have to adapt with new policies. That’s why they say the era of Reagan is over. But the era of Reagan was not policy. The era of Reagan was philosophy; the era of Reagan was principle. What was it that gave us, for example, the tax cut policy to raise revenue and wipe out a recession? Conservative philosophy and principle. The policy, the law, the idea, the way to get it implemented, descended from that. What was the policy that led to our victory in the Cold War and bringing down the Soviet Union? Well, it wasn’t. It was a philosophy, it was principle, and it was based on the principle of freedom and that eventually regimes which oppress their own people will collapse of their own immorality if you just nudge them in the right way.

You don’t have to fire a shot. The policy people in that era were the ones that wanted us to meet with all the Soviet leaders. The policy people were the ones that wanted to get Reagan to tone down the lingo. The policy people are the ones that wanted to get into the minutia of writing all this gobbledygook that would then form legislation or party platforms which would lay out our position on how to defeat the Soviets. Well, before you do that you’ve gotta have a philosophy and a set of principles that guide you. Our principles and our philosophy stood side by side. The policies create themselves, and the policies, as I say, descend from several principles, freedom, the founding, the preamble to the Declaration, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. It’s amazing the policies you can write if those are your principles, it’s like amazing the ideas you can come up with.

Welfare reform. Where did that policy come from? Oh, yeah, there might have been people working deep down with the sleeves rolled up on the intricacies of the operation and how to implement it, tell the states what to do. But the concept was we’re destroying lives with welfare. We’re going to get people back to work, we’re going to get them off welfare because we love them and because they want them to be something. We want them to get something out of this life they have been born with more than sitting around and subsisting on something that’s very little from the government with no future. Now, that’s the philosophy, that’s the principle, that too much government destroys lives, damages the future of a lot of lives, we want to stop this because we love people. Before we get to this point, did any of you who object to welfare on the humanitarian grounds that it is destructive of families and people, did you need somebody to explain a policy to you before you understood that welfare was bad? Or was it just instinctive, you just know, you’ve had kids or whatever, the more you give people without requiring them to earn it, the more you are seeing to it they’ll never be able to earn anything and you’re going to have to take care of them the rest of their lives. And we believe that ultimately is destructive to people and it insults them. They’re capable of far more, but we look at them and say, “No, you’re not, we have to take care of you because you’re incompetent.”

Well, that’s not who we are by virtue of philosophy. That’s not who we are on the basis of principle, and I don’t care whether it’s 1980 or 2009. That hasn’t changed and look at what’s happening. Obama is reversing welfare reform. The stimulus bill, or one of these pieces of legislation, does away with it. The states are going to now get more money from the federal government based on how many new welfare cases they create, how many more people are added to welfare rolls. You have to be ever vigilant against this stuff because the left is always going to try to undo anything done that emancipates people and gives them freedom. So these people on my side are taking me over the coals because they think I eschewed the notion — even Rich Lowry at National Review didn’t understand it. He’s the editor of National Review, which descends from William F. Buckley. I never said I was against policy. Of course you need it, but policy guided by what? If you’re going to have policy that says we need to be more like Democrats, we need to identify this particular group of voters and come up with a plan and a party policy that goes and gets them, fine, but you’re changing conservatism when you do that. You’re not using a conservative philosophy or principle to go do that, you’re starting to look at people the way Democrats do. And you’re looking at them on the basis, “Well, have to win elections.” Yeah. But we got a blueprint for that that our own party is ignoring.

So I would urge all of you, don’t be talked out of what your instincts tell you. We’re all conservatives here, and those of you listening who are new to the program who might be tempted to cross over, we’d love to have you. But if you’re a liberal or moderate, independent, however you describe yourself, I’m addressing the conservatives for the moment. Don’t let yourself be talked out of your instincts. Don’t let yourself be talked out of what’s in your heart and what you know by virtue of life experience. By the way, Rich Lowry is not one of the critics. Lowry is not one of the people I’m talking about. He praised the speech, he just said it was the one area he disagreed with. But what I fear is that even on our side, what is conservatism is now up for debate, people are trying to come up with their own definition and idea of it and using what they think is their superior intelligence, smarts to overpower the whole concept just so they can be hailed and touted as smart and revolutionary, evolutionary, moderate, modified conservatism to fit the times, which seems to be one of the things that they are doing.

I don’t think the Constitution needs to be modified to fit the times. The liberals think that. I don’t think the Declaration needs to be toyed with. Chris Matthews asked the other day on his show, “Do you want to live in a world where Limbaugh is writing the Constitution?” I don’t have a desire to change it, Chris. Works fine for me. I’m trying to defend it and protect it against people who are trying to change it. So I’m not opposed to policy, but principle and philosophy, those are the two things that we need to get us back on track and understand what our objectives are. It would seem to me, given what’s happened with the Obama administration, the things that they’re wanting to enact, that our philosophy and principles ought to just be staring us right in the face. They should be larger than ever. They are the antidote. Conservatism, as it’s always been known, is the antidote to what is happening here. And one day, don’t know when, the antidote will be the vaccine, whatever you want to call it, the nation will take it, the nation will get the vaccine and we’re going to fix all this just as we did in the eighties. I don’t know how much destruction is going to have to occur before that happens, but it will eventually happen.

In the meantime, ladies and gentlemen, I urge you not to cower and not cave when people make these attempts on you to modify, moderate what you’ve always known to be the principled base and foundation of conservatism, ’cause that’s the first battle we face before we even get to Obama. We’re just trying to stop Obama, slow him down a little bit now, but there needs to be a unified opposition to it. I am willing to take that role since Rahm Emanuel and Obama have anointed me the leader.

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RUSH: By the way, as to policy, ladies and gentlemen, I have proposed a policy, a bipartisan stimulus plan. My policy was proposed in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal. It was a brilliant policy, hailed by many as a genuine bipartisan compromise, rejected entirely by the Obama administration.

March 5, 2009 , 4:42PM Posted by | Conservatism, Rush Limbaugh | 1 Comment

Obama Attacks Rush Limbaugh, but Prostrates Himself to America’s Enemies

Spot on post by Jay Nordlinger at NRO, both his article and his follow-up at The Corner:

Readers have made some points about my Rush Limbaugh bit in Impromptus today, and a few of these points, I forgot to make myself. In particular, I should have noted this: One of the creepiest, most disturbing things about the “war on Rush” — particularly as orchestrated from the White House? Limbaugh is a private citizen. A reader wrote, “The same people who gasped because the FBI surveilled John Lennon are more than happy to have government employees — including Emanuel and Gibbs — conduct a campaign to demonize and diminish a radio personality for political purposes.”

Rush is a big boy, and he can handle it. But still . . . There is something creepy about bringing the weight of the government down on a radio host, even if that host is prominent, influential, and brave.

Couldn’t President Obama save this heaviness for Ahmadinejad, Assad, Kim Jong Il, and other real villains?

Also, weren’t we supposed to have a new kind of politics in the Obama era? Change and all that? A discarding of the bad old ways? And here we have Carville and Begala . . .

Well, let that same reader talk about it: “So who’s working on the Rush campaign? Perhaps the two most execrable individuals in American politics, Carville and Begala.”

That’s putting it a little strongly, but, still, that’s putting it — and the Obama era doesn’t seem so terribly new, except for the galloping socialization of the country.

I made some of these same points directed at AllahPundit at HotAir:

Why the fixation on Rush as a “private citizen”? The idea, I take it, is that Obama’s bringing the enormous power of the presidency to bear on a poor, defenseless Joe Public, but Limbaugh’s anything but defenseless (as today’s debate challenge proves) and considerably more powerful, I think we’d all agree, than the average congressman who would be considered fair game as a public official. If the White House had picked him out of a phone book or was rooting around in his trash, that’d be an egregious breach of privacy, but he’s one of the most powerful people in American media, with a following in the millions, and they haven’t done anything untoward (yet?). In fact, strictly speaking, they’re not “going after” him at all. They’re going after the GOP, to tar them by association with Rush and they’re willing to inflate his influence to do so. It’s Republicans who are suffering from having to thread the needle between defending Limbaugh and rejecting the “I want him to fail” rhetoric. What harm has Rush suffered? His stature’s never been greater, as he himself acknowledges right here.

Take all this and substitute MICHELLE MALKIN in all places you reference RUSH and answer your own questions as I asked you in Ed’s thread on this. If the Federal government was trashing Michelle Malkin, misrepresenting her, smearing her and then propping her up as the leader of the GOP to tar and feather them with a false caricature of Michelle Malkin, would you be so quick to just throw your boss under the bus?

Michael in MI on March 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM

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I’m saying he can handle himself, as can Michelle, and he did a fine job of it here. I concede there’s a debate to be had about how much influence someone would need to be able to have a “fair fight” with the White House, but I think a guy with 20 million listeners qualifies. Michelle probably doesn’t.

Allahpundit on March 4, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Being able to handle himself is not the issue, AllahPundit. Something isn’t just or unjust simply because the object of the attack can handle oneself. The onus is on the Administration.

It’s like a man hitting a woman. A man should *never* hit a woman, no matter whether or not she can ‘handle herself’. A gentleman simply does not do that.

Same thing with the Federal government. It is above the dignity of the Federal government to be attacking-smearing-making fun of media members. It’s a matter of dignity and unofficial ethics and class and respect for the position of authority.

I really can’t figure out why you don’t understand that, other than you just don’t like Rush Limbaugh so your view is tainted.

Michael in MI on March 4, 2009 at 5:35 PM

And this was my contribution to Ed Morrissey’s great take on this at HotAir:

But first, spot-on, Ed Morrissey. Spot-on analysis. This is an attack, NOT a “promotion”. When the Left smears Michelle Malkin and misrepresents her views and then “promotes” her as the leader of the Conservative movement with the purpose of discrediting Michelle AND all Conservatives, only the naive would call that a “promotion” that helps her.

When the White House, the mass media, the Democrats and the Left are taking everything you say completely out of context, smearing your message, misrepresenting everything you say and then propping up THAT as representative of you and your message, I don’t see how AllahPundit considers that a help to Rush Limbaugh.

What Rush Limbaugh does is what AllahPundit describes. He shines a light on the Democrats and the Left’s message, he plays their speeches in full context, he reads their idiotic op-eds in full context and then goes on to explain what they mean, using their own words in full context. That is NOT what the Left, mass media, White House and Democrat Party is doing with Rush.

The Left smears their opponents and then presents that message as representative of their opponent.

I’d like to know how AllahPundit would feel if this were the Left, President and Democrats going after Michelle Malkin in the same way. Would he say that smearing Michelle Malkin and misrepresenting her views was propping her up and making her more popular and would be a good thing for her website and reputation? What if the Left-President-Democrats decided to say that everyone on the right was represented by the homophobic, racist, anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic, Bible-thumping, bigoted Michelle Malkin? Would AllahPundit just turn around and say that Michelle Malkin was not a private citizen and the Left-President-Democrat Party had every right to attack her like that? And then he would blow it off as he is doing with the attack on Rush?

Michael in MI on March 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM

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Their motivation is nothing more or less than exploiting the fact that MICHELLE MALKIN is unpopular (or so they believe) with most of the country. If that’s true, it’s MICHELLE MALKIN’s fault, not theirs. They’re not insulting HER, they’re simply promoting HER to leverage that unpopularity against the GOP. If it’s untrue, then they’ve shot themselves in the foot by raising the profile of a WOMAN who might turn the country against them.

Here’s the bottom line: The only sure winner in all of this is MICHELLE MALKIN HERSELF, because this is bound to increase HER influence. That’s why it’s bizarre that so many of you are taking offense. If you truly believe that MICHELLE MALKIN is conservatism’s best messenger, then you should be euphoric over the free publicity SHE’s getting out of this. In fact, Peter Daou (a lefty) over at the Huffington Post is wringing his hands for precisely that reason.

Allahpundit on March 4, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Now, consider that statement and consider the way that the Left “promotes” Michelle Malkin and her conservative message. They don’t “promote” her in an intellectually honest way, explaining her beliefs and values and principles in context. They smear her, and then promote THAT as what Michelle Malkin represents. They work to marginalize her and ALL conservatives by putting up a completely bastardized version of Michelle’s views — an thus the views of conservatives — and then use that to turn people off to not only Michelle, but to all conservatism in general.

THAT is the effort that is going on now, AllahPundit. And the fact that you and many others cannot see that is very disheartening, to say the least.

Michael in MI on March 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM

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