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Anti-War Blogger Didn’t Know Jane Fonda was Activist

UPDATE II:  This was left by USMC 03 Curt on Caroline’s blog, but I felt it deserved a more prominent place to be read.

I was sent to Iraq the first time during Desert Storm, Then again in 98/99 under Clinton and then OIF, I was even assigned to the Security detail of the Weapons Inspectors in 2003/04. So when I speak of the country I do so as one that has been there more than once, Lived with the people, been to the torture prisons, seen the mass graves, looked at the effects of chemical weapons in the Kurdish north, and got to see the new weapons labs built while under UN sanctions that no one speaks of. So I am not one speaking from my chair without any knowledge of the things that have occured over the last 20 years in that country.When I watch these protest and listen to the people I wonder where they get there information? Granted there may be a smart 8 year old there that is smarter than I am, but does he know what is really occuring over there to form an accurate opinion? Cindy Shehan was so torn up over her sons death that she used his death benifits on a shopping spree for herself, I am sure her new car helped make up for his loss. Jane Fonda didnt learn from her first go around that her actions lead to people getting tortured and killed and yet people believe we should listen to her?  Even if you put young men up there that served a tour in this conflict they are speaking out without knowledge of the occurences there while they where still in grade school. There is so much more that occured over the years that led up to this than what is released to the media or the public.

How many people that go to these things after watching CNN know that there is an abandoned town in Northern Saudi Arabia that they can take a story that an informant has told them and they can go to the lot and use actors to film the story and brodcast it back here as factual news?  I have sat in Kabul and watched American Media brodcast a story of a bombing that killed 35 people and wounded 50 more in Kabul while knowing full well it didnt occur because I was there. I have seen photographers stage pictures, I have seen news agencies bring in actors to create a story and yet the people here buy it all as if the movie mission impossible where factual news.

I am not a Bush fan and I think we went into this war the wrong way, but I do know what has and does occur there in reality so I support the conflict. I wasnt a Clinton fan either but I still went to Somalia and Kosovo and fought when he said even though they wherent approved by the UN or agreed with by the international communty. I just dont remember any of these protestors speaking out against them or even mentioning that we are still in Bosnia 11 years later without anyone screaming for a pull out. I hear them bringing up the Inspectors reports all the time mentioning the findings of no WMD’s but they never say that the reports find he had managed to rebuild his labs even under sanctions. That they found documented proof that he planned to supply terrorist with weapons to attack the US after sanctions where lifted and that the final statement given to Congress by the inspectors is that “After the findings of the comitee it is believed that Iraq posed a greater threat to America that what led to the conflict.”

When it comes to this war it is like people are given the first encyclopidia and speaking like they know what information is contained in all of them. If you want to know what the problem is with this conflict then I will tell you. We are not fighting a War, We are dying for political correctness. After the World Wars there was a General guidlines to warfighting that was established. Anyone crossing those lines could be charged with war crimes. So we go to fight by those rules, yet we dont want to offend anyone, so there are a ton more rules tacked onto us. This is a superbowl game that your home team has to play by the rules with the refs watching them while the other team has free reign. Although if it really occured like that in football then all of you would be screaming your team is being cheated by having to play by all those rules when the other team doesnt and it makes it impossible for your home team to win. But this isnt football, its real life where people die in the game and yet our home fans dont back us like they would if it was football.

You want to protest? Then protest that our Military got sent to play chess and our political correct ways put us in the game without our queen to play with. We all want peace, and no one wants it more than a person thats willing to die for it. But the world isnt one that if we just keep to ourselves then everyone will leave us alone and be nice to us. I have spent 20 years as a Marine, I didnt get shot, stabbed and blown up because I am a warmonger, I did it because I would like those living here to enjoy a peaceful existance. But I am a realist that has seen the world and knows not everyone in it wants the people here to have that. They say Americans have become fat and lazy with lack of excercise and eating habits, but it has also occured in our way of thinking. We have become so complacent in our way of life that we dont realize most of the world doesnt live like we do. I spent a little over 12 of the last 20 years living outside the U.S. and all I can say is I am ashamed of the people here in alot of ways.

WW I was the war that changed the world the most in a historical perspective. It saw the unification of more nations, the downfall of monarchies and the coming of peaceful nations. The Americans didnt want to fight in it, we wherent attacked. It took any excuse Wilson could come up with to get us into it because we where the deciding factor to which side won it. We lost an average of 55 men a day, a day! In a war no one wanted, yet supported once we where in it, and yet it has proven to be what led to most of the peacefull nations of today. Washington was a General that led the Military to crush his Protestors, His Generals spoke out against his Decissions, Congress said he made his Decissions for his own gain and even tried to have him removed from his post. But how do we remember him now? Isnt it funny how history plays out when we support our Home team rather than fight it all the time compared to what has occured since the 50’s when we quit rooting for our own?

UPDATE I:  Brian noted in the comments the pictures Hanoi Jane Fonda had taken with her seated in enemy anti-aircraft weapons.  You can see her in all her glory here.

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I have been leaving comments on Caroline’s blog about the anti-America, Pro-Communist rally held yesterday in D.C.  I usually don’t bother, but I was just blown away by this statement she made:

Plus, I didn’t know Jane Fonda ever was such an activist during the Vietnam era.  Stephen is telling me about it.  I hate that he is so freaking knowledgeable.  About everything.

How in the world does anyone who would consider themselves informed about history, specifically military history and America’s involvement in past wars (Viet Nam in this case), NOT know about Jane Fonda’s activism.

  • Film actress
  • Visited
    Hanoi during the Vietnam War, at which time she accused American soldiers of acting as “war criminals”
  • “If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist. . . . I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism.” 
  • Married Tom Hayden and Ted Turner
  • Co-founder of the “Vagina Vote” campaign to support Kerry in 2004
  • Co-founded (with Tom Hayden) the Indochina Peace Campaign, which worked tirelessly to cut American aid to the governments in
    Saigon and Phnom Penh and help the North Vietnamese Communists and the Cambodian Khmer Rouge overthrow them

That just blew me away.  Anyone who knows anything about Viet Nam knows that Jane Fonda was a big part of the reason we surrendered in that war.  With her going over to Viet Nam to give aid and comfort to our enemies and then betraying our POWs.  This just boggles my mind.

But then of course, I make the (apparently incorrect) assumption that when people write blogs on issues, they actually know about the issue about which they are blogging.  When I call people ignorant, this is what I am talking about.  I have had many liberals accuse me of “namecalling” for calling them “ignorant”.  That is not “namecalling”.  Calling them a libtard or a traitor or an asshole or a jackass or a pussy.  Or telling them what they are saying is bullshit. THAT is namecalling.  Ignorant means that one does not have all the facts.  They are lacking in knowledge.  That is an apt description for people who had no clue about Jane Fonda.

It is also an apt description for those who are admiring the anti-America, pro-Communist group United for Peace and Justice.  Again, most liberal blogs that I have seen are doing just this though.  Either they are ignorant or they actually agree with these people and are Anti-American and pro-Communist.  The next time any of you go to liberals blogs, ask them on this.  Ask them if they support these groups and individuals their anti-America, Pro-Communism agendas.

Here are the comments I left on Caroline’s blog.  Whether or not she or any of her readers will actually read them and understand who and what they are supporting, who knows.

For more on the Anti-America, Pro-Communist groups and individuals, go here to DiscovertheNetworks.

Here is some more info on the protest and the Anti-American, Communist group United for Peace and Justice:

5:49 PM – The Anti-American Mobs Marching in Washington D.C. This Weekend

10:37 PM – The Million Moron March – Make Poop, Not War! (VIDEO)

Here is the background on United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ).

Here is the background on the leader of UFPJ, Leslie Cagan.

  • Co-chair of United For Peace and Justice
  • Member of the Communist left since the 1960s
  • Founder of the Committees of Correspondence, a splinter group of the Communist Party USA
  • Ran a think tank promoting Castro’s dictatorship
  • Set up Iraqi Occupation Watch to encourage U.S. troops to defect and undermine the US effort

If any of you had gone to this protest, these are the people with whom you would be associated:  Communists, Socialists and groups who are anti-military.  Just so you are all aware.  The military community is sure aware that these protesters do not support them.  Just take a look through the MilBlogs and see what they are posting.  Start here with The Wolf at Blackfive and continue on in the comments to read the disgust the military members have for these people.

And this is how the most of the military feels about the protest and those appearing at it:

There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling, who was not scheduled to speak, addressed the counterprotesters to voice his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq.

Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.

Capitol police made the antiwar protestors walk farther away from the counterprotesters.

“These are not Americans as far as I’m concerned,” Mr. Sparling said.

Another counterprotester, Larry Stark, 71, a retired Navy officer who fought in Vietnam for five years and was a prisoner of war, said, “We never lost a battle in Vietnam but we lost the war, and the same is going to be true in Iraq if these protesters have their way.”

For those who don’t recognize the name Joshua Sparling, he was the soldier recovering at Walter Reed who received a card from an anti-war person which read:

“Have a great time in the war.  And have a great time dieing in the war.  PS – DIE”

Also, Jane Fonda is infamously known for having been passed a note from a prisoner in Hanoi which stated he was being tortured by the NVA.  She handed it over to the guards and the man received more torture for having passed the note.  The military hates Jane Fonda.  The excuse she gave for her cavorting with the enemy during Viet Nam was that she was young and naive.  Many are wondering what she will use as an excuse now.

I highly suggest that you all read MilBlogs to get a taste for what the military community thinks about those who are protesting the war effort.  Start at Blackfive, Mudville Gazette, Curt at Flopping Aces and also see these two posts from Buck Sargent:

HUMMING THE HAIFA STREET BLUES

STUDYING IRAQ FOR DHIMMIS

Also, be sure to visit the comments sections of each of these blogs as military veterans, active military members, military families and military supporters all post there with lots of good information on background from the military, info from Iraq, military history and war history which puts everything in proper perspective.  You will not receive this info in the AP, Reuters, NYTimes, LATimes, WashPost, etc.

Caroline, you commented that your friend had so much knowledge.  Well, I do as well and it is because I read MilBLogs.  I hope you and your many liberal friends, as well as your readers of other ideological stripes, will read them as well.

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Also, Caroline, here is more on the background of Jane Fonda, since you stated you didn’t know she was active prior to this.

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Here is more coverage as well as a contrast with the Pro-Life rally held the week prior which actually had 100,000 rally, as opposed to the anti-America, Pro-Communist rally which had 10,000-20,000. 

Photos Of Today’s DC Protest – Tens Of Thousands?

That Thousand Man Protest

The Pro-Life rally was taped and aired on C-SPAN after midnight.  The anti-America, Pro-Communist rally was aired LIVE on C-SPAN.  Nah, no agenda there.

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January 28, 2007 , 2:23AM - Posted by | American History, Iraq, Leftist Groups, Military, War Effort in Iraq

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