Demanding Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate: Not Crazy, But it Won’t Matter
I shared my general thoughts on the matter in my last post on this HERE. That was in response to an annoying rant by Ace of Spades HQ blogger Gabriel Malor. Now, Ace himself chimes in on the story by linking to the excellent article by Andy McCarthy, to which I linked in my post. Ace’s tone and reasoning is much better, in my opinion, for which I am thankful.
I really was worrying that place was starting to turn into another HotAir, where the bloggers show utter contempt for their readers. From the Rush “I hope he fails” Limbaugh flap, which led to the “we can’t say certain things for fear the Left will make us look bad” flap and then finally the flap over Sarah Palin, which led Ace to make a dumbass post about cults — inferring those of us who like Sarah Palin and get annoyed with conservatives who demonize her, as well as her supporters, are cultists.
So, this reasonable post by Ace definitely makes me worry about the Allahpunditification of Ace of Spades HQ just a bit less.
Anyway, here was my contribution to the comments section:
“And it was heartbreak after heartbreak as each of these internet-based “scandals” spread like wildfire and got us all excited and made us think This time, maybe we’ve got this rascally rabbit, and all for naught.”
This could also be said about the 2008 campaign. It was heartbreak after heartbreak for me and many conservatives when information about Obama’s true radical past finally came to light in the public (Frank Marshall Davis, TUCC, Rev Wright, Billy Ayers, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Weather Underground, Louis Farrahkan, Father Phleger, LA Times tape of his pro-PLO speech — well, the talk of the tape anyway –, “typical white person”, racist statements in his books, “clinging to guns and Bibles”, not wearing flag pin, not putting hand on his heart during National Anthem, bashing America on his European tour, ACORN training, ACORN voter fraud, illegal campaign donations, illegally setting up his campaign donation site to accept illegal donations, etc etc etc.) And I’m probably forgetting 10-20 more “oh THIS will sink him, no WAY America will vote for a guy who does THIS” moments.
I still feel the same way now, during the first 6+ months of his Administration. There have been broken campaign promises, out and out lies, more racist BS (started right at his inauguration with the racist benediction), corrupt appointments to his Administration, czars, takeovers of private companies, inciting of class warfare, etc etc etc. YET, just when I think, “oh THIS will turn America against him, no WAY America will stand for a President who does THIS. THIS will finally expose Obama as the racist and radical that he is”, I see the mass media spin for him on his lies, see the mass media be used willingly as a propaganda outlet for his policies, see the mass media spin all his gaffes, see the mass media spin all his poll numbers, see people STILL agree with the fraud that this was all Bush’s fault — nevermind that the Democrats, including Obama, were in charge of Congress since JAN 2007, when the economy started to tank, and the GOP and Bush worked to reform gov’t and prevent the collapse from 2001-2008, and the GOP still fought against the Democrats’ nationalization and bailouts sans Bush in 2008, and it was the Democrats, not Bush and the GOP who were the big spenders –, and finally the other day I get someone post on my Facebook wall that I am a “Republican racist”, because I oppose Obamacare… and because Obama is a Black Democrat.
The reality, I’m afraid, is that while you and most others think that the GOP looks bad for bringing up this birth certificate thing, that really, the GOP looks bad for opposing Obama on *anything*. Rev Wright? GOP is racist. Billy Ayers? GOP is racist and hatemongers. Chicago Annenberg Challenge? GOP is racist and hatemongers and mean. ACORN? GOP is racist and hatemongers and mean and grasping at straws. Etc etc f#cking etc.
And then of course, as I found out the other day… oppose Obamacare? Racist.
So it’s not just the birth certificate thing that taints the GOP, it’s pretty much anything. I mean, seriously, think back to the probably 75-100 things from the campaign that came up about Obama exposing him as a radical leftist and racist. Any one of which would have sunk any other candidate and even ended their political career. Sh!t, George Allen was sunk for “macaca”! Yet, 69+ million people ignored all the evidence and thought this POS was the ‘messiah’ anyway. It is absolutely mindblowingly frustrating, irritating and gobsmakingly pathetic.
And sure, people will point me to Barry’s poll numbers. But, I’m not comforted. Not one bit. As the saying goes, “you can not reason someone out of something they didn’t reason themselves into”. Anyone who voted for Obama — with the exception of those who actually are racists, communists, socialists and Marxists like him — did not reason themselves into supporting the POS. So I don’t expect to reason them out of their support. I’ve actually tried and I get the same BS I got from them during the campaign, that I’m only critical of him because he’s black (racist!), we have to give him a chance, it’s only been 6 months, he inherited a mess from Bush, etc etc etc.
I truly would like to believe that finally, THIS, THIS will turn America against him, THIS will wake people up to his radical nature, THIS will expose him as the radical and racist that he is. But, after heartbreak after heartbreak during the campaign and during the past 6 months, I am just not buying it. I am now a cynical bastard who has lost faith in the American people as a whole to exhibit some common f#cking sense and rationality.
I just hope everyone proves me wrong in 2010 and 2012…
“That this particular candidate turned man-god demonstrated an amazing willingness to go around the rules that are in place (I’m thinking about the campaign finance rules in particular) makes things like his odd behavior on the birth certificate thing seem sinister.”
Posted by: Y-not at August 01, 2009 12:45 PM
This is really the key for me on this issue. The fact is that Obama is not just some typical douchebag politician. McCain is a typical douchebag politician. Obama is a radical leftist and racist who hides everything about his background and lies about who he is. It’s only because of that fact that I even am suspicious of this birth certificate thing. It’s not some lone desperate attempt to get rid of an otherwise clean — relatively speaking — politician from office, it’s one of a LONG trend of suspicious, corrupt behavior from this man.
I can’t speak for all people interested in this issue, but I know that I am interested solely because I see it, not as a ‘smoking gun’, but simply one of many, many corrupt breadcrumbs along this man’s path to the Presidency.
If Obama were just some typical corrupt politician, then this would definitely deserve the wacko conspiracy label. But Obama is most assuredly not some typical politician. He is an extreme radical, racist and liar. As such, everything about him must be judged in that context.
Posted by: Michael in MI at August 01, 2009 01:44 PM
Another good comment:
I agree that this is a wedge issue for the Dims to use against conservatives and Republicans in general.
For hardcore Birthers that disagree, just look at what has been done with mainstream Christian beliefs by the Dims. Same thing at work here. I suspect we’ll hear *A LOT* about this from the MSM in August as they try to tie this to the Tea Parties and any form of BO opposition.
However, there is a way for this to become a *WIN* and it’s actually very simple.
When any Republican or conservative is asked about this say these words:
“Oh, I doubt there’s anything major on the long form birth certificate or else Hillary’s opposition research team would’ve used it during the Democrat primary. (see what I did there)
However, it’s awfully strange that Obama is hiding so much information and using lawyers to hide that information about his birth certificate, his college grades and activities, and his meetings with radicals.
I believe more information is better about anything. So, I’d ask in the interest of national unity that Obama call off his lawyers let us the American people see the truth.”
Simple, reasonable, and it puts the negative in every way back on the Dims.
Posted by: The Commissar of Love at August 01, 2009 01:51 PM
“Obama and his crowd seek nothing less than the total destruction of America as she is and will use any means in their disposal to achieve it.
Qestions about his birth certificate is not a wish to rerun Nov 08 but will provide a basis towards understanding his motivation and behavior.”
Posted by: canuk at August 01, 2009 12:49 PM
Very well said. And I think you are correct in assessing that Ace and others really still have not come to grips with this reality.
I give them a partial pass, because who really can fathom that we have a man like that as President and whose entire Administration and appointees to key positions in government are all either marxists, socialists, communists, racists, eugenicists, radical environazis, anti-semites, Black Liberationists who believe in reparations, anti-capitalists, etc. It just seems so wacko. Even after knowing all of Obama’s background, seeing what he has done since his inauguration, people STILL refuse to connect the dots. Because realizing the reality is too frightening to fathom.
But the fact is people need to wake up, connect the dots, face their fears and admit the reality of what we now have as our government. AND, not be afraid of pointing out that reality to others, for fear they will call you a kook (I’m not talking about the BC issue, but the marxism, racism, socialism, communism, complete transformation of America into the America Obama envisions we should be etc etc etc issues).
Posted by: Michael in MI at August 01, 2009 01:53 PM
“I would say the average American wouldn’t want Obama prematurely removed from office over it but would be mightily annoyed to learn that he lied about his eligibility. The average American doesn’t like a cheater.”
Posted by: Kensington at August 01, 2009 01:26 PM
Prior to the 2008 campaign, I would have said that too. However, the average American seemed not to give a sh!t about ACORN, Tony Rezko, voter fraud, campaign donation fraud, Obama’s million dollar grant to his wife’s hospital, Obama flat out lying about the terrorist Billy Ayers, Obama flat out lying about his time at TUCC, etc etc etc (I know I am missing many, many more examples of cheating and fraud by Obama in his political career).
I really don’t know what to say about the average American anymore. The fact that average American saw nothing wrong with Obama in 2008 doesn’t say much –much good anyway — about the average American.
Posted by: Michael in MI at August 01, 2009 02:24 PM
“Presidents are not usually dislodged by scandal.”
As I’ve said before, we can’t get rid of Obama before 2012 at least. But we can inflict lots of hit points of damage on him, and so impede his ability to implement his agenda and increase the GOP’s chances of picking up seats in 2010.
The Democrats treatment of Bush is an instructive example of hows it’s done. Note that it is NOT done by having wonkish discussions about policy. It’s done by cementing a negative image of the man in the public mind using the raw materials he provides.
Posted by: flenser at August 01, 2009 02:27 PM
This (below) is an extremely good point. For the sake of argument, turn the anti-“birther” talking point on it’s head. Their point is that we need to believe Obama and his cohorts and his supporters on their claims about him and his background, despite not providing any info backing up the claims. He’s a genius, but we have no proof of such genius in the form of any grades? No problem, just believe he is a genius. He’s a brilliant writer even though we only have two books, one based on the rantings of his racist religious mentor of 2-decades and one speculated to have been ghost written by a communist domestic terrorist and absolutely nothing else, not even any college papers or legal writings? No problem, just believe he is a brilliant writer. He’s a wonderful above the fray “moderate” even though all his friends, coworkers and political allies of his entire career are radicals, racists, Black Liberationists, communists, socialists and Marxists? No problem, don’t talk about those inconvenient facts, for fear that it will make us look bad, just agree that he is a wonderful above the fray “moderate”.
What a crock of shizit.
I’m more interested in seeing Cpt. Bullsh!t’s school records (including SAT/LSAT scores) to confirm that he is indeed the most brilliant man ever to hold the office of the Presidency. Am I indulging in conspiracy mongering to think that if he had extremely high test scores he would have released them so his admirers could bask in the glow of Dear Leaders brilliance (and rub them in conservative faces)? Instead he has buried all of the info that might actually prove his claims to extremely high intelligence.
Posted by: Big E at August 01, 2009 02:30 PM
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