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Sarah Palin is Wrong

It pains me to say it, but I wholeheartedly, vehemently disagree with Sarah Palin here (via Ace at Ace of Spades HQ):

“There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment,” Palin wrote. “Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us.”

I’m sorry, but was Sarah Palin paying attention the last 8 freaking years? Was she paying attention during the campaign last year? Conservatives and GOP-voters have been trying their damndest to get out the FACTS about the economy, the war efforts and now healthcare and no matter what we say, how we say it, what we do or how we do it, we are smeared as racists, hatemongers, bigots, “right-wing extremists”, terrorists and now NAZIs and “un-American”. Just admitting one is a conservative or a GOP-supporter is a reason to receive criticism by these people!

Wake up and smell the fascism, Sarah Palin!

Some commenters at Ace of Spades HQ share my frustration:

How many times are we going to go down this road, and how far?

If one of the goals is “not to give them any reason to criticize us”, how exactly is that possible?

Did I miss the actual swastikas at the meetings?
Those paychecks for these phony protesters, who’s writing them and who’s cashing them?
What about the racism of the 0bama joker poster?
Or the “coded racism” of McCain’s campaign?
Or the super-sekret coded racism of every criticism of 0?

Did I miss something, or was there some agreement wherein the left heretofore will no longer “make sh#t up” whenever they need to smear conservatives?

Posted by: jimmuy8 at August 10, 2009 11:34 AM

*****

Playing nice with your enemies does not win!

Maybe if the Dems had played nice and not compared George W Bush or
conservatives as nazis for the last eight years maybe the playing nice premise would sound like a good idea.

PLAYING NICE IS OVER!

Posted by: McLovin at August 10, 2009 11:34 AM

Exactly.

Ya know, one of the main reasons that I support Sarah Palin is that she has showed a willingness to smack down the Left, mass media and Democrats on their BS. If she is now going to turn around and say we need to censor what we say, how we say it, censor what we do and how we do it, in order to play by the Left’s Alinsky rules (“Make the opponent live up to their own rules”), then my support for her will be withdrawn.

Sarah Palin… meet Bill Whittle:  We Are in a Political Fight to the Death with People Who Will Stop at Nothing

Saul Alinski wrote a book called Rules for Radicals. Hillary Clinton wrote about it in her senior’s thesis. And if Hillary Clinton learned from it, Barack Obama taught from it: the term community organizer was coined by Alinski and was the centerpiece of his theory that the socialization of America could best be accomplished from within the system since Americans were alert to revolutions forced upon them from the outside.

One of the Rules for Radicals is Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules. Think about the genius of that. Just let that sink in. When a Republican has an ethics scandal, it’s “hypocrisy” and “double standards” and all the rest. But when a Clinton or a Pelosi or a Charley Rangel or a Chris Dodd or a Barney Frank or a William Jefferson has an ethics scandal, no one bats an eye. Why? Because of course they’re immoral! They’re Democrats.

Alinski could see that moral people have to be held to moral standards when immoral people do not. We’d better learn a lesson from this, right quick. …

Alinski and his followers want you to believe that if you fight dirty in response to people fighting dirty with you, then you have lost your morals and in fact your identity. But that’s a lie.

We are in a political fight to the death with people who will stop at nothingand I’m not talking about your average decent Democrat, but rather these Alinski radicals. And if we don’t face the same realization as those Marines on Guadalcanal and give back as brutally as we have taken, then we will lose.

Which is what they want. And if we do lose to these kind of tactics, there will be no more decent people left in politics. As of today, we’re one short already.

Also, see here: There is Absolutely No Precedent for this Nonsense

More:

Look at how once again we are letting the media define the terms of the debate. This is no longer about whether the bill is good or bad (in fact the bill has been forgotten). Instead it’s about how nasty those mean old protesters are! And we fall for it AGAIN! We continue to let them determine what we will be talking about.

ENOUGH!!!

Focus on what the point is: government run health care. Be polite to people if possible, but screw the congresscritters if they can’t take the heat. Above all, don’t devolve into a pointless argument about what is ok and isn’t ok at a townhall.

Posted by: Alex at August 10, 2009 11:40 AM

Let them speak… but don’t let them get away with bullsh#t. The Dems’ MO is to string BS after BS after BS together until they change the subject. Barney Frank is a master of this.

I love what the townhallers have done. Let the politicians talk. When they say something false, boo. It isn’t our fault that this results in them being unable to say two sentences in a row.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2009 11:41 AM

I don’t think that noting that it’s better tactics to remain calm when asking a question and then let the Congressperson lose his/her sh#t is the same as letting the other side frame the question. I am curious as to how the definition of “shouting” is being used. I don’t have the link to hand, but was the doctor who got screeched at by his congressman shouting? I don’t think so.

Also is shouting being used to refer to when the rep. is talking and people respond? Because call and response during a political meeting is totally freaking fair game. Saying something stupid and getting booed for it is completely within bounds. That’s not shutting someone up, that’s responding to idiocy.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 10, 2009 11:49 AM

I don’t know, have seen a lot of videos, the attitude of our “representatives” seems to be “come out swinging and ask questions later”. No one likes it when someone with whom you are expecting to have an honest conversation considers you an idiot who doesn’t know what is good for them. …

Posted by: muffy at August 10, 2009 11:49 AM

A-freaking-men to this:

“Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us.”

With all due respect, WTF are you talking about? The sons of bitches don’t even want to hear from us. If we lay down and die, go along with this bullsh#t, they won’t criticize us. Did the Founding Fathers worry about criticism from the British crown?

Their outlook is “our way or the highway and screw the uneducated dolts that have the gall to oppose our enlightened way”. Screw that.

Posted by: maddogg at August 10, 2009 11:53 AM

I disagree with the interpretation, but wholeheartedly agree with the last line:

I don’t think she is advocating not shouting. She is advocating doing what she does, smiling, looking the person right in the eye and politely reiterating your question or concern. She is encouraging discourse and warning people that when you disagree they will try to paint you as evil. but hek, if you are shouted down, then you damn well better speak up and shout louder.

Posted by: muffy at August 10, 2009 11:53 AM

I like this:

Nah, go ahead and be a dick.

But in a smart way. Be calm, but ask lots of irritating follow up questions and try to speak with just an edge of condescension in your voice.

“Congressman, are you sure you truly understand this plan? I’m not sure that you do. Let me read you a section.”

Be sure to mention that they work for you. Call them “your employee”.

Cause those skin-thinned idiots to erupt like that dummy up there in the video. Nothing pissed ’em off more than having their assumed superiority questioned.

Posted by: Warden at August 10, 2009 12:15 PM

Yep, looks like we have reached this stage. The Left and mass media push back with lies and smears, as they always do, and the Right caves:

Oh sh#t, don’t tell me we’ve reached the “conservatives start to worry about what the media will say and ultimately wuss out” stage. It looked for a while there like we may have actually learned that it doesn’t matter what we do, the media will always portray us in a bad light. So now we’ll be nice and the media will say “there’s no controversy so we don’t have to cover you anymore” and the dem talking points will once again dominate the news and we’ll lose.

Posted by: koopy at August 10, 2009 12:52 PM

Seems like people STILL just do.not.get.it. When we dare to even so much as BREATHE, it causes Obama, Democrats, the Left and mass media to deem us terrorists, NAZIs and “un-American”. WAKE.THE.HELL.UP!

“As for the effigy burning, etc. — well, it’s nice to give some vent to bloodyminded daydreams, but let’s face facts — the media lapdogs and their politico masters would jump on that like a bloody steak bone and be screaming “terrorists! terrorists! Ima skeered!” at even a hint of such a thing. Can’t let them do that.”

Like that makes a difference. Yes, caring what the MSM thinks is gonna get us some good coverage. Shit. We aren’t gonna win playing nice, it’s just that simple. And that Political Terrorist meme just ain’t gonna fly with Joe sixpack who stands to get his rump reemed with Zerocare. Let it get far enough, and there will be a full blown civil war and compared to that, burning a few effigys is gonna feel pretty tame.

Posted by: maddogg at August 10, 2009 01:14 PM

*****

Damned if you do… damned if you don’t. Ya gotta hand it to Axelgrease, Rahmbo and the state-run media complex – they’ve effectively dampened the effect of the townhall protests. Even Sarah’s bought into it, it would seem. I’m not sure what the proper tactic should be here, but going meekly into the good night ain’t gonna work either.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at August 10, 2009 01:18 PM

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August 10, 2009 , 11:20AM - Posted by | Barack Obama, Fascism, Healthcare, Sarah Palin, Saul Alinsky

26 Comments

  1. “You can not point to a single thing that the Democratic Congress did after 2007 that contributed to the downturn we are in. Also, you can not think of anything that Bush did to thwart it either. Obama has been in office about 6 months yet in your mind, he is more responsible for the situation than the guy that was running things for the last eight.”

    Do you even bother to read ANYTHING that I write or ANYTHING to which I link to support my arguments? Apparently not, since I gave examples of what the Democrats have done since 2007 in my last link and gave complaints about President Bush in that link as well. I’m done with you. Take care.

    Comment by michaelinmi | August 10, 2009 , 9:28PM


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