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Eman, thank you. You’re one of the few posters left I stick around to read in the comments.

And I don’t know who Anon is, but I can certainly understand why so many lurkers don’t post (and thank you, to you, too). The Group Think mentality has been pretty bad around here for some time.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:07 AM

Sad, but true, in the case of the commenters at Ace of Spades HQ. Well, at least in terms of social issues. On political issues such as military issues, fiscal issues and general political strategery issues, there is quite a bit of diverse opinion expressed in the comment section. Granted, the blog authors are pretty much one big echo chamber on every issue, but that’s probably why ace chose them to be co-authors on his blog. So I can give that a pass.

But there is definitely a Group Think mentality when it comes to social issues at that site. Unless you agree with the ideas of promiscuous sex with every hot woman (or man, if you’re a ‘moronette’), looking at ‘pron’ and now apparently supporting women who make sex tapes, you are deemed a ‘concern troll’ or a prude or assumed to be fat and ugly.

Go against the social Group Think there and be prepared to be ridiculed until you stop commenting there (as I have). Want to share your sexual prowess, your lesbian fantasies (if you’re a ‘moronette’) or general love for being a pervert, you are welcomed with open arms and praised as ‘living the AoSHQ lifestyle’. But dare to hold a traditional, gentlemanly/lady-like view on sex and relationships and expect to be the butt of jokes, even when you’re not around to defend yourself from such.

There is really no difference between what the M&Ms there do with regards to sex and relationship issues and what commenters do at places like LGF and any Left-wing site with regards to political issues. Don’t agree with the Group Think, you’re a troll who’s fat and ugly.

Ironic too, since barbelle’s point was that they were defending Carrie Prejean based on her looks. Then, they turn around and just assume barbelle is fat and ugly, simply because she doesn’t agree with their opinions on the issue.

The fact is that AoSHQ has their own “political correctness” Group Think going on, and they seem to not even realize it. As barbelle noted, it’s no wonder that lurkers don’t comment more. Why would anyone want to, when they know if they disagree with the group think, they’ll be lambasted as a troll, ugly, fat — or, in my case, an ’emo-git’ — among other things.

Ah, the ‘joys’ of anonymous posting on the internet. Sad.

I will say, that I don’t understand her overall opinion on Carrie Prejean, that, seemingly, is that she cannot make mistakes early on in life, realize what she did was wrong and then repent for it later in life.  If that were the case, then pretty much none of us could ever hold any moral authority on anything, unless we never did anything wrong… ever.  And since none of  us are the Son of God, I doubt there are very many people who have never done anything wrong, unless they never leave their house to live life.

I understand her point about no longer holding up Carrie Prejean as a spokeswoman for anything on conservative issues — especially socially conservative issues — and not reflexively defending her on things simply because she won the lottery in the gene pool.  Personally, I could care less about Carrie Prejean.  She doesn’t speak for me, nor does she speak for any conservative movement.  However, she deserves people defending her, since she was unfairly and despicably smeared by the Left simply for expressing the same view on “same-sex marriage” as the majority of California voters, the majority of voters in every other State where “same-sex marriage” has been on the ballot and… the current President of the United States.

The simple fact is that Carrie Prejean would be hailed by the Left were it not for her answering honestly a bogus question at a Beauty Pageant.  Everything else — both the nasty smears and her media opportunities — came from that principled stand.

I really don’t care if she made every single bad decision imaginable in her teen years or not.  Criticize her and hold her accountable for her bad choices in the past, but defend her on her right to be able to speak her mind without being smeared.

Heh, nice:

I think it’s running about 20-1 that you’re troll, toots. And eman is only on your side because he thinks you’re cute.

Okay, activate the gray cells and figure out where eman ever saw a picture of me.

Consensus ain’t science.  It is, however, what I’d expect from the lot of you.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:21 AM

Another good one:

I’ve read every comment down and that’s where I had to stop to answer. schizuki, are you a parent? If your teenage daughter asked you, would you tell her there’s nothing wrong with masturbating on tape for her boyfriend?

I’m pretty sure Hagar did that in the Old Testament, but considering the lack of recording tech, they just had to draw really fast on papyrus.

It’s all the rave at the Baptist church down the road.  But no worries, just say you regret it and you’re golden.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:37 AM

And that’s really the difference between many of us on the Right.  Some of us have grown up and are thinking along the lines of being a parent and grown up, not sticking with frat boy mentalities into our late 20s and 30s (and beyond).

Yep, this is pretty much my opinion on all this Carrie Prejean stuff too:

Not that I give a sh!t what CP does or doesn’t do, but Barbelle you said she did this after promoting herself as some paragon of family vaules. Uhm, no. She made the tape as a kid, then grew up, became famous due to controversy and the douche she gave it to sold her out. She is dumber than a box of rocks, but no one really deserves that sh!teous treatment. I was a teen who wouldn’t want everything I did put up for public consumption, (or any of it), but if it came out, so what? I am an adult, that was the past, and I made many, many, many mistakes. She should be out of the limelight soon, anyway. I predict her book won’t do all that well, and she will fade into obscurity soon. So, no biggie.

Posted by: di butler at November 10, 2009 03:22 AM

I think the disconnect here is that people are reflexively defending *everything* about her because (1) she won the lottery in the gene pool and (2) she was despicably attacked and smeared by the Left for expressing a popular opinion (though, very unpopular with the Left).  The thing is, no one wants to join with the Left in their smears of her by criticizing Carrie Prejean, because people could turn around and say “see! even the Right sees that she’s pathetic!”  On the other hand though, defending her actions with which we disagree opens us up to “see!  Conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites who don’t stand for moral values at all, they’re just defending her because she’s hot and is against ‘same-sex marriage'”.  It’s a fine line to walk, but I’d rather take the side of barbelle and keep my principles in tact, while trying to get the focus of the issue back on the Left’s despicable smear of her over expressing an opinion only the Left thinks is wrong.

This is another good one:

Sorry, I didn’t read all 600+ posts to ascertain the sex of Barbelle’s sex (Sank).    I accept the correction.  Still, what is it with society that we must evicerate a conservative that chooses to take a moral stance when they have any incident in their past.

The woman stood up for traditional marriage. Where’s the crime.  If Bill Clinton stood up for traditional marriage , everyone would hail him as enlighteded.  She was a dumbass teenager.  Same goes for the way women came down on Sara Palin.  She was pretty and promoted traditional values and you would have thought she was evil incarnate.

It took a long time for societies to develop rules that increased health of the community.  Not screwing everything that walked reduced desease.  On man one woman for a lifetime made for healthier better adjusted children.  Self reliance freed man from government oppression.  Now, disease runs rampant, family structure is breaking down, jails are bulging at the seams, and government is taking ofer our lives.  A teenage girl sent a sex tape to a boy she thought she could trust.   Dumbass move.  Move on.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 10, 2009 09:32 AM

Again, I think the disconnect is that a couple of the things mentioned by Ohio Dan — screwing everything that walks, a girl making a sex tape for her boyfriend — are things that are praised as good in the “AoSHQ lifestyle”.  And if you dare come out and speak against those things, calling them wrong in any way, you are immediately attacked as a prude, ugly, fat, Taliban-like, etc.

Now, barbelle does come across as quite a b!tch, with a mouth slinging out insults which would make a US Marine blush.  To me, that is utterly unattractive and a complete turn-off and a very unattractive quality in a person in general, let alone a woman.  That said, the substance of her complaints, I think, is sound.  Carrie Prejean should not be a spokesperson for anything with all this baggage out there:  boob job, scantily-clad pictures for which she made lame excuses and now this sex tape she made.  She has no credibility when it comes to traditional values and should be held to account for that.  However, despite all that, she should still be defended 100% on the main issue of being able to speak your mind in this country, without the consequence of being personally smeared and destroyed by political enemies.

Good point:

Carrie would have been a lot better off had she claimed to be a recovering bad-girl before she went on the lecture circuit.

If she’d have said, I was an immodest, naughty girl in the past, but I’ve repented and am now a solid Christian, these little things popping out of the closet would have been no big deal.

She could have said, “See? I told you I used to be a bad girl”.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 01:23 PM

What lectures did she give on sexual modesty and when?

She gave a talk on her Christian values her at her home church here in San Diego. The Rock. One of the Christian values is modesty. Her talk was about standing strong in your Christian faith.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 01:57 PM

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