Wall of Separation Idea Came from Former Klansman
So Christine O’Donnell is being ridiculed for asking Chris Coons where in the Constitution is found the idea of “wall of separation of church and state”. Liberals always like to throw this phrase around, as if it’s actually in the U.S. Constitution. The fact is, it is not. And I think it is important to remind people just whom liberals are quoting when they bring up the “wall of separation” idea. The following is from an interview done on the Rush Limbaugh program in January 2008 with Mark Levin:
LEVIN: I mean, you have everything from Santa Claus and Christmas trees. We have a court they couldn’t muster together a majority to uphold the Pledge of Allegiance on the merits of what’s in the Pledge of Allegiance — and let’s look at that for a second. The “wall of separation.” This is annoying to a lot of people and very upsetting. The Framers did not want a government religion. They did not want what they had in England, where everybody is taxed to support that religion and has to be a member of that religion or they’re punished, and so we’ve reached the point now where it’s been twisted and turned to mean what? If I don’t like what’s on public land and it bothers me, then I have a constitutional right to sue and get an ACLU lawyer and have it removed. Well, that’s not what the Constitution says.
Now, who’s Hugo Black? Hugo Black was appointed by FDR. Before that he was a senator. Before that he was for a couple years an active member of the Klan, and after he became an active member of the Klan, he was a lawyer, a very good lawyer for some Klan members who committed very violent acts, including one who killed a Catholic priest.
Now, when he came on the court, I don’t know that he lost all those viewpoints, but in this particular decision involving public monies that incidentally would go to Catholic school children to help transport them to school, Black snuck this language into the decision: wall of separation, strict wall of separation. Now, that’s not in the Constitution. That’s nowhere in the Constitution. Black put it in the Constitution — excuse me — put it in this decision.
So now when all these pseudo-civil libertarians are running around saying, you know, “separation of church and state,” I think our audience should remind them: You’re not quoting Jefferson; you’re quoting Hugo Black, the former Klansman!
Of course, it should not surprise anyone that liberals side with a former Klansman. Afterall, they revered former Klansman Robert Byrd so much that they elected him to the U.S. Senate and kept him in office for decades.
Here is more from the interview: Men in Black — Part I
Also see this great post by Bob Ellis at The Dakota Voice: Church and State: Another MSM Hatchet Job
Here’s Rush today on this issue:
RUSH: That’s not in the Constitution. “Separation of church and state” is not in the Constitution, and the fact that people laughed about this is what’s really scary. Most of the Framers and the congressmen who were first elected to the House and Senate prayed every day and went to church in Congress on Sundays, and in fact the House is opened every day with a prayer! Apparently back in the day, the Founders didn’t know that there was separation of church and state. All the Founders said was that the state shall not establish an official religion. It does not say that people in government shall not practice or cannot practice a religion. The Senate opens with a prayer every day, as does the House. The House has a chaplain, for crying out loud!
So this story was purposely written to make it look like Christine O’Donnell does not know what’s in the First Amendment, when she was right. Nowhere in the Constitution will you find the words “separation of church and state,” and nowhere in the Constitution will you find anything written to convey the meaning that religion is not permitted to be part of government. All it says is that the government shall “establish” one. The United States government cannot proclaim, “This is a Christian nation.” It cannot proclaim, “This is a Jewish state,” cannot proclaim the official religion of our country is Islam. They cannot do it. But we can have Islamists in government, we can have Christians in government, we can have Jews in government, and they can pray while serving! This has been one of the tricks of the left for as long as I’ve been alive.
To get God out of our culture, to get God out of the schools, to get God out of everyday life. It’s to try to say that the Constitution prohibits God, that’s what they want the interpretation of the First Amendment to be. The Constitution does not prohibit God. I mean, for crying out loud, look at the Declaration, acknowledged as one of our founding documents. We are all “endowed by our Creator.” The reason for this phrase in the First Amendment was where were these people fleeing? England! The Church of England. Henry VIII established a religion so he could get divorced. Pure and simple, he wanted to get a divorce. Religion said, “No.” “Okay, I’m going to make my own religion. Screw you! I’m gonna behead somebody. Screw you!” They were fleeing religious persecution. The scary thing is that a bunch of dummkopf, dingleberry law students and audience at a law school laughed at the correct portrayal of what’s in the Constitution.
Christine O’Donnell may be as “stupid” as Justice Scalia. You want to know what he said about it? Justice Scalia: “In holding that the establishment clause prohibits invocations and benedictions at public school graduation ceremonies, the court with nary a mention that it is doing so lays waste a tradition that is as old as public school graduation ceremonies themselves and that is a component of an even more long-standing American tradition of nonsectarian prayer to God at public celebrations generally. As its instrument of destruction, the bulldozer of its social engineering, the court invents a boundless and boundlessly manipulable test of psychological coercion.” That is Justice Scalia writing about people amplifying the establishment clause to suggest that God can’t be mentioned, that prayers cannot happen at public graduations.
That was Justice Scalia writing about those on the Supreme Court who would rule that God could not be part of anything to do with government or anything public. The Constitution doesn’t say it. Christine O’Donnell was right. Chris Coons couldn’t name the five freedoms enumerated in the First Amendment. (interruption) Christine O’Donnell is… (interruption) Well, does she…? Snerdley says that Christine O’Donnell’s not slick; she doesn’t know how to say it to get past these connivers and SOBs. I guess not if you want to look at it that way. The guy says establishment of church and state. She says, “You’re telling me that’s in the First Amendment?” She knows full well it’s not. It’s not that she’s not slick enough. She’s assuming that everybody is as smart as she is. She’s assuming that everybody’s as informed as she is. That’s the mistake many of us conservatives make: We assume everybody knows what we know. We assume everybody is as informed as we are. That’s why I say it was really scary that these lamebrains at that law school laughed at the absolute correct assertion that she made.
A-freaking-men to this:
Exit Question: Who the hell cares if she thinks Intelligent Design should be taught in schools?
Coons never met a tax increase he did not like, and I am supposed to believe that one of the most important issues in the DELAWARE Senate race is some evangelical hobby horse that has zero chance of even being considered in Delaware or in the Department of Education.
WTF? She can be a snakehandling speaking-in-tongues charismatic wacko for all I care. Is she going to fight tax increases? Is she a solid vote against Obamacare?
On the Howard Kurtzian other hand: She should have just blown off the question and come back with something like “this creationism stuff is just a distraction from the real issue of how we get the Federal government out of our schools. That is something that I, as a Senator, can impact. Creationism should be decided by the local school district….”
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 19, 2010 02:08 PM
The context is bad. It sounds like O’Donnell was defending the teaching of creationism as science. That’s not going to attract a lot of moderates either.Posted by: Cicero at October 19, 2010 01:39 PM
If these so called moderates are going to vote for a Marxist this year because of an establishment clause issue, then they need to get a frickin’ clue.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 19, 2010 02:07 PM
BRAVO and another A-freaking-men to this:
Can we maybe just face it? O’Donnell is an ignoramus with no business in the Senate. Her opponent is unthinkable too, of course, but that’s not much comfort. The system simply failed to produce an acceptable candidate.<<
That already happened during the last presidential election, and yet this very site declared that not pulling the lever for McCain and not overlooking his tendency to trample fellow Republicans on his way across the aisle to caucus with the democrats were acts just short of treason. I would like to see a little of that, er…support thrown the way of actual conservative candidates. If you stomached voting McCain, you can stomach shutting your hole over O’Donnell for 2 damn weeks.
Posted by: Kerry at October 19, 2010 02:10 PM
I am 100% in agreement with this as well. To anyone with a lick of common sense, it is obvious that the Left brings up these issues (“separation of church and state”, Intelligent Design/Creationism, etc) to distract from the actual important issues. However, if the American electorate is stupid enough to fall for this BS from Democrats, then we get what we deserve. The Democrats will stop pulling this BS once the American electorate finally punishes them for doing it.
What is noxious is this whole [f-ing] subject. So with 10% unemployment, deflation, crippling gubmint debt, Li’l Barry and the Demotards more than quadrupling the deficit in under two years, Obama’s socialized medicine destroying people’s medical coverage, mountains of new regulations from the EPA et al., massive voter fraud, the prospect of cap-and-tax enacted through executive order… this debate and the tools who sponsored it decided it’s a dandy time to have a bull session on religion in government?
Delaware. My God… it’s full of stupid.
Posted by: George Orwell at October 19, 2010 02:12 PM
Unfortunately, it’s not just Delaware. The Democrats and MF-ing media would pull this BS tactic anywhere in the nation they felt it would work. They have been doing it for decades. Rarely do Democrats ever focus on the actual issues of the economy and foreign policy, and when they do, they lie and mislead people. Until the American electorate stops falling for this BS from Democrats, they’re going to keep doing it.
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