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The NAZIs Were Statists, Just Like All Leftists (Fascists, Communists, Socialists, ‘Progressives’)

Great comments left in response to this Big Hollywood post: The Wachowski’s ‘Cobalt Neural 9′: Bush Assassination Porn

BronxZionist:

From the National Socialist Platform:

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

What part of “Socialist” and “Workers'” in “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” are not clear?

Bohemond:

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” —Adolf Hitler

The Nazis were Statists, just like all Leftists. Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism: they all represent the same foul objective: the enserfment of man to the Almighty State. Leftism is all about coercion and represents the antithesis of liberty.

PatrickII:

What can I say regarding fascism and it being left-wing that BronxZionist hasn’t laid bare? The myth that fascism was right-wing was laid bare BEFORE WWII EVEN ENDED in the book “The Road to Serfdom,” by F.A. Hayek. He wrote the book because, as an Austrian who watched the rise of the Nazis, who fled to the US and then to the UK, and as an economist surrounded by Brits who thought socialism was an “answer” or “cure” to fascism, Hayek thought it important to show that the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was, indeed, yet another spawn of Marx. Not only did BZ quote directly from the Nazi platform, but you can find early speeches of various Nazi leaders (pamphlets, to be more accurate) that clearly illustrate that the Nazis thought socialism would work, just not the *internationalism* of the Soviet Marxists. The battles between the Soviets an the Nazis were battles between siblings over the remote control.

Your “it’s a semantic trick” argument is worthless. You see, as someone who believes in absolute Truths, I can take the position that there are actual definitions/meanings in the world and that everything is NOT just a matter of “perspective.” Thus, I have no problem saying that someone who “believes” in the free market is someone who understands the free market. Doing whatever you want with your money is NOT the definition of someone who “believes” in the free market. Otherwise, we could say the same thing about the left-wing enviro-nut who shot up the Discovery Channel offices. Though he openly declared he hated things like the free market in his rambling declarations, some months before he had caused a stir by throwing his money around as he crossed a street in front of the DC’s offices. Hey, he was making a statement with his money!

Clearly, this has nothing to do with the free market, just like making this movie would have nothing to do with the free market and everything to do with their egos.

Media centric culture? Critique? HA!! They’re the ultimate propagandists who use *entertainment* in an attempt to influence the weak-minded and intellectually vapid. And the simple story behind the “Matrix” only makes sense if you understand what THEIR views are. After all, we could say it’s the rebels against left-wing propaganda (since the left-wing controls the media and the educational system) and a libertarian fight against the oppressive control of a bloated government. Or we could say that it is a little more than a homosexual masturbatory fantasy picture starring (of course) Keaneu Reeves and a butched-out “love interest” where the homosexual ideal is a “god” fights against everyone who won’t recognize his sexiness. Or, whatever number of mindless, deconstructionist b.s. exercises you want to engage in. That isn’t the point.

When we understand what the *creators* of that entertaining but overly serious movie believe (ESPECIALLY given the bloated, pseudo-philosophical jabber of the sequels), it becomes easier to come up with views of the movies that are actually likely and not just mental masturbation (deconstructionist blather).

The hipsters? You’re just using circular semantics blah, blah, blah . . . Again, you’re assuming absolutes (that there is some standard that individuals can be held to in determining whether or not their criticisms of a subculture are legitimate) that just begs the question – why are *those* standards the ones we should use? How ’bout a little common sense? How ’bout this: self-involved is self-involved, and it happens in every generation and in every subculture, some more than others. When a subculture defines *itself* through its own sense of self-importance, then I think there is more than enough reason to laugh at it.

And, sometimes, it doesn’t take a rocket-scientist to figure out a subculture is just plain stupid, even if it does produce some cool stuff here and there.

the sinner,

Patrick

Also, these commenters ask good questions:

Bohemond:

Seriously: what is it with the Left and the impulse to violence? Why do they find it pleasurable to imagine those they disagree with being silenced brutally and permanently? Or for that matter, trying it in real life, as Kenneth Gladney and others have learned to their cost?

jimmythetulip:

And what’s with liberals and all their murder fantasies lately? Machete, the 10:10 “No Pressure” video, and now this. They have all the political power right now, yet they’re still so angry that we’re not all marching in lockstep with them that they’re making movie after movie in which they get to murder anyone who disagrees with them.

Guess what liberals, if you have the White House and both houses of Congress, and things still aren’t working out for you, then you’ve got no one to blame but yourselves.

RELATED: Actually, It is Blatantly Obvious that Hitler was a Leftist

October 4, 2010 , 3:50PM Posted by | Communism, Democrats, Fascism, Hitler, Liberalism, Socialism | 1 Comment

Actually, it is Blatantly Obvious that Hitler was a Leftist

Great comment here in response to this post at Gateway Pundit: Howard Zinn, Left’s Favorite Historian Now Proven Member of US Communist Party

Andreas K.
August 1st, 2010 | 8:59 am | #31

I was reading through the link provided by S. Wolf “What the Left Really Thinks of Hitler”

And I had to post this as a comment to it:

Actually Hitler was a leftist. Saying he wasn’t is just further pushing the lie that Hitler was “right wing” and that all Nazis were and are “right wing.”

How was Hitler left wing? It’s blatantly obvious. The only problem is that these facts are usually swept under the carpet by the people selling this “collective guilt” to Germans these days, which means: German politicians and media telling Germans people who were born after the war, that they bear responsibility for the Holocaust, which is, in fact, a Nazi principle by itself. It was called “Sippenhaftung”. One member of a group committed a crime and thus all members of the group were criminals.

Anyway.

First off, national socialism is exactly that. Socialism on a national level, focusing primarily on this strange idea of “race” instead of “class”. “Race” is nothing new in socialism. It was an important point long before Hitler. Plus, Hitler’s national socialism has plenty of “class warfare” themes. Even today you can watch one national socialist country: North Korea. It’s always sold as stalinist, but North Korea has copied the “Aryan master race” idea and calls it “national bloodline”, for which people are murdered, similar to what the Nazis did.

Most importantly though are the statements of Nazi leaders themselves.

Göbbels said in a speech in December 1933 that the NSDAP is, by definition, the German left wing (he called it “die deutsche Linke”) and that they hate nothing more than a “rechtsstehendes Besitzbürgertum”, a right-wing bourgeousie (literally a “right-wing property owning citizenry”.)

In early 1945, Hitler held a conference of the Gauleiters. During this Hitler lamented that, while the Nazis had succeeded in destroying the “Klassenkämpfer” (lit. “class warriors”, aka the Communists, Hitler’s direct competition for power), they had failed to destroy the German right wing. Hitler called this their biggest sin.

In comparison, right wing people under Hitler were men like Stauffenberg.

And if we go back into the history of the socialist movement, then we find men like Karl Kautzky, chief ideologist of the German Socialist Party, SPD, which still exists today. Kautzky once wrote, in 1914, that the ultimate goal must be the destruction of capitalism, because if you destroy capitalism, you destroy the Jews, and that is good.

And even the founder, Karl Marx himself, ranted about how “inferior classes and races must be wiped out.”

Genocide is part of the program, coming from Marx himself. Lenin. Hitler. Stalin. Mao. Pol Pot. Che. Castro. And so on. They all just followed the orders from Marx himself. Without Marx, there wouldn’t have been a Holocaust. Without Marx no gulags, no famines from Lenin, and so on.

Also, calling Hitler far right is a logic fallacy.

Communism, socialism always lead to what? Oppression, dictatorship, mass murder, as history proves without a doubt. If we call Hitler “far right”, then the extreme opposite to socialist mass murder and oppression is… socialist mass murder and oppression. Which doesn’t make much sense, does it?

Far right, that’s not the Nazis, that’s the extreme support of liberty, freedom and democracy.

Let me add this specifically here:

There are a handful of historians in Germany and Austria these days, who are pushing against this “Hitler = right wing” mantra. They are, as of now, not very popular and are called many nasty things. However, they provide actual evidence for Hitler not being right wing, but rather left wing. Evidence like speeches and notes. And the conclusion from this evidence is pretty clear: Hitler was as left wing as Lenin, just focusing on race instead of class, while Lenin focused on class instead of race. The basic idea, though, is essentially the same. Race and class are the two driving points of socialism in its many forms.

Marx always leads to Stalin and/or Hitler. Always.

And let’s not forget that Hitler received his first political indoctrination and training from whom? The German communists. Essentially Hitler agreed with their ideas. He just hated that they weren’t racist enough. The result was the German Workers’ Party (DAP), or better said, Hitler joining the already existing DAP. Eventually the DAP was renamed into the, yes you guessed right, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the Nationalsocialist German Workers’ Party, the NSDAP.

Also let’s not forget what Hitler promoted: German nationalism, anti-semitism, anti-capitalism and anti-communism (since the communists were the direct competition for power.)

Andreas added this great comment earlier in the thread:

Andreas K.
August 1st, 2010 | 6:56 am | #24

“You see, even I as an ardent anti-Communist, can understand why so many western leftists thought that the early communist movement(s) was a great idea. Early in the history of socialism/communism it all seemed so high-minded, such a bold experiment. This was before Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot began to murder millions.”

Let me just say this:

The murdering began before Stalin, before Mao, before Pol Pot.

Lenin triggered famines in Russia which killed the people in the millions. Hunger was a weapon on the civil war and the Communists used it whenever they could. Millions of Russians perished. Men, women, children, because comrade Lenin said so. That was long before gulags and other camps.

If we go back even further we can see Marx himself writing about how “inferior classes and races” must be wiped out. The basic idea of socialism from Karl Marx itself includes genocide. Genocide is part of the ideology.

And every socialist, communist, marxist, maoist, etc, supports this.

Yep. And the modern day genocide is the promotion of abortion-on-demand and encouraging the elderly to simply “die with dignity”… which is promoted by liberals and the LEFT, not conservatives and the Right.

August 2, 2010 , 10:06AM Posted by | Communism, Hitler, Leftist Groups, Liberalism, Marxism, Racism, Socialism | Comments Off on Actually, it is Blatantly Obvious that Hitler was a Leftist

Protest Pictures the Mass Media is Not Showing You!!!

So there was a March on Washington, D.C. on 9/12/2009.

I have come across some pictures that the mass media is not showing you from some protests. They are simply appalling, hate-filled and despicable.

These extremists are a cancer in our society.

Be sure to check out these pictures that the mass media refuses to show you, which end up exposing just how radical are protests: HALL of SHAME

Find more HERE, HERE and HERE.

Or just go HERE and see the radical extremists in all their glory.

Despicable.

September 14, 2009 , 1:27PM Posted by | Anti-War Groups, Berkeley, Bush Derangement Syndrome, CODE PINK, Communism, Fascism, Hitler, Leftist Groups, Liberalism, Marxism, Socialism | Comments Off on Protest Pictures the Mass Media is Not Showing You!!!

Mass Media Not Reporting on Hundreds of President=Hitler Protest Signs

This is simply outrageous and unforgivable. These people should be ashamed of themselves, comparing their President to Hitler. Thank goodness Nancy Pelosi called attention to these nutjob lunatics. Unfortunately, the mass media is still not doing their job in getting these disgusting images out to the American public to show the true colors of the opposition to the President.

Thankfully, Ringo’s Pictures shows us what the mass media continues to hide from us: A Trip Down Memory Hole Lane

And if that were not enough, here is more: …Hitler, Swastika-Mania: A Retrospective

Simply despicable how people can treat their President in this way, huh? And simply atrocious how the mass media can continue to cover up this obvious despicable insult to our dear, beloved President.

Wow, and now I read that the mass media is not reporting on numerous death threats against the President at protests? Despicable. Simply despicable.

August 19, 2009 , 2:28PM Posted by | Anti-War Groups, Barack Obama, Bush Derangement Syndrome, CODE PINK, Communism, Fascism, Healthcare, Hitler, Liberalism, Marxism, Nancy Pelosi, President George W Bush, Socialism | Comments Off on Mass Media Not Reporting on Hundreds of President=Hitler Protest Signs