That is how I interpret his remarks on Larry King Live with Soledad O’Brien.
Via Kathy Barkulis: Imam Rauf on CNN: Moving The Mosque Could Get Us Killed
Rauf’s contention that we must accept the building of the mosque near Ground Zero because “moving it would embolden Islamic radicals, and in the Muslim world it would be considered an attack on Islam” is a threat. He seems to be saying that Americans better not fight this, or we’ll pay for our opposition to it by being attacked. That sounds like the same argument used against publishing a cartoon, or a book, or making a film exposing Islam’s violence. If you do it, you will die. Comedy Central took that kind of threat seriously by not showing criticism of Islam.
Well, he is simply using the same logic as GEN David Petraeus, when he said that a small church in Florida shouldn’t burn Korans, because it would offend Muslims and put his troops in more danger. So, all those people who agreed with Petraeus and said the church should not burn the Korans in order to appease the Muslim threats better now also be in full support of the building of the Ground Zero Victory Mosque. Otherwise, you are just like the Koran-burning churchgoers and putting both our troops and American civilians at risk.
So, America, what other freedoms and liberties are you prepared to give up in order to appease the threats of violence and mass murder from Islam?
Islam is an Oppressive, Totalitarian Ideology Which Should be Mocked and Ridiculed as Much as any Other Ideology
A great discussion in the comments in response to this post at Gateway Pundit: Florida Church Vows to Burn Korans On 9-11; Receives Death Threats (Video)
It is interesting to note many people in the comments who come across as dhimmis and prove the point that Islam is not a “religion of peace”. If it were, then there would be no reason to worry about the safety of the members of this church, correct? Christians and Jews and Mormons are insulted every single day all across the nation in print media reports, in TV media reports, in movies, in TV shows, in songs and by liberal politicians. All this is done without worry of violence. Yet, no one dares to say anything even midly critical of Islam, despite the fact that every liberal claims that Islam is a “religion of peace”. If it were so, then Islam would be mocked, ridiculed and smeared equally. The fact that it is not is proof that Islam is not peaceful at all.
The fact is that were this church to announce that it were holding a “burn Mein Kampf day”, no one would care. “Burn the Book of Mormon Day”? No one would care. “Burn the American Flag Day”? No one would care. “Burn the Jewish Flag Day”? No one would care. But, since they are insulting a liberal PC protected class, there is “outrage”. Pathetic.
Now, while I may not completely agree with this church’s chosen way to show their disgust with Islam (which I share), I think they prove 2 great points. (1) They show that Islam is not a “religion of peace” at all, what with the threats of violence directed their way in response to this. (2) They expose the hypocrisy of liberals, who never have a problem mocking, ridiculing and insulting every other religion on the planet, save for Islam.
I also agree with the person in the comments who noted that we are in a war. And yes, it is a war against the totalitarian political ideology of Islam, regardless of the people who are too PC-ified to admit it. During WWII, no one would have cared were people to burn copies of Hitler’s Mein Kampf, burn literature about NAZIism or burn literature about Japan’s religion of Shintoism. No one in their right mind would come to the defense of oppressive, totalitarian ideologies. Yet, 9 years after the worst Islamic terrorist attack on American soil in history, people are still defending the oppressive, totalitarian ideology of Islam. Pathetic.
Some of the comments with which I agree wholeheartedly:
August 21st, 2010 | 6:09 am | #17
Burning Old Glory is fine. Burning American citizens is fine. But burning the one book that has more hatred inside than Mein Kampf is bad?
Without the koran there wouldn’t have been 9-11. Yes, it’s that simple.
Maybe this action isn’t in the best spirit of Christianity. Maybe, I don’t know, and frankly I don’t even care.
It’s time that the west strikes back.
How long are we going to take the abuse coming from the mohammedans? Look into Europe, I dare you. Mohammedans just need to pout at whatever they want and the media and the politicians double over hell bent on making sure the screaming babies get whatever they want.
Saying something against that is racism and makes you a nazi in Europe these days.
Why do you think Geert Wilders is becoming more and more popular, all across Europe?
Because more and more people in Europe are sick and tired of this pre-emptive surrender. Because more and more people in Europe are sick and tired of islam. Yes, despite the media and our politicians trying to sell us the fairy tale of a moderate islam people are rallying against islam.
Burn the koran?
Why not? What makes it so special? Why shouldn’t we burn it? Out of respect? Respect for what? Respect for a fascist ideology that hides behind the shield of religion? An ideology that, without this shield, would be banned right away in all civilized countries?
Burn it I say. This book deserves no respectful treatment. It’s as vile and full of hatred as Mein Kampf.
And Mein Kampf is banned in Germany and Austria…
August 21st, 2010 | 6:27 am | #26
Jerry, the koran represents only one thing: kill the infidels where you find them. That’s in it. That’s the order. That’s what every mohammedan must do. Why? Because Mohammed, who is considered to be the perfect human being in islamic mythology, wrote it down. Because the bloodythirsty idol called allah told him so.
If supporting burning something like that makes me intolerant, so be it. Then I’m intolerant. And I don’t care. Islam is intolerant to the bone. Islam is hatred on a level worse than the Nazis. Why should I be tolerant to that?
By the way. Faith and believe? That’s no argument against burning it. There were people who prayed to Hitler. Not for him. To him. There were people in Nazi Germany BELIEVING that Hitler was second coming of Jesus. It was their FAITH.
As for calling islam “religion”… don’t make me laugh.
August 21st, 2010 | 6:33 am | #27
August 21st, 2010 | 6:25 am | #24
Although I have no respect for islam as a religion/political system, it’s just as sacrilegious to burn a koran as it is to put a crucifix in a jar of urine. I consider burning the American flag highly offensive. People who act in this manner do not gain respect; they lose it.
Uhm, you do realize that the leftsits and mohammedans don’t respect any of us in the first place, right? So what’s there to lose?
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
If they could they would kill all of us right now, even without burning that stupid book.
Why? Because we’re infidels. We are already committing the worst possible crime under sharia law: we refuse to follow allah. That crime is worse than murder, worse than rape, worse than genocide.
It’s sacrilegious? I piss on islam. I piss in the koran. Now what? What’s the islamic moon deity going to do about it? Nothing.
Tolerance is a bad thing. Look at the roots of the word. Latin for “to endure”. Sorry, I’m tired of enduring. It’s time to strike back and speak with them in the only language they understand: force.
August 21st, 2010 | 6:37 am | #31
Let me add this:
Most of you people don’t see the “joy” islamic “enrichment”. I see it on a daily basis. And I’m sick and tired of it. Every day it’s on the news. Mohammedans assaulting our police officers. Mohammedans raping our women. Mohammedans murdering our people. Mohammedans stealing our money. And when we say something against it, the media and the leftist are all over us screaming “racist!” and “nazi!”
Our crime rates are exploding, thanks to them. But we have to be tolerant. We have to live with it. We have to endure it.
And this has been going for years.
My patience is slowly but steadily coming to an end.
Come to Europe and see it with your own eyes.
You’ll have a different point of view afterwards.
August 21st, 2010 | 6:40 am | #33
August 21st, 2010 | 6:37 am | #30
Stopping the building of this mosque would be the best revenge here. They care about that.
Then the media and the leftists will scream “racist!” again and everyone will be quick to make sure the mohammedan crybabies will get what they want.
It’s happening here on a daily basis.
Take the Swiss ban on minarettes. The majority of the Swiss people was for it and at once the islamic world screamed murder and the rest of Europe quickly joined them.
Talk I hear from the UK and the Netherlands speaks already of armed resistance. Yep, in the liberal Netherlands a growing number of liberal Dutch people are thinking of picking up arms against this nonsense. Same in the UK. Similar things I hear from Germany where secret police reports leaked to the public suggest civil war, thanks to the mohammedans.
But let’s be tolerant, eh?
August 21st, 2010 | 6:43 am | #34
August 21st, 2010 | 6:39 am | #32
Wading, pacifists allowed 12 million people to be slaughtered during WWII for the crime of being born “other.” Good “Christians”, most of them were.
And then there were those who put on their armor and went to war to stop it. . . .
Something tells me that the heroes who did their little bit to end the abominations of Hitler have a much better welcome waiting them than those who wrung their hands & pretended not to see.
Granny, that was a direct hit.
Pacifism has never stopped fascists. Chamberlain went all pacifist on Hitler, what was the result?
It allowed Hitler to build up his military might and to occupy two sovereign nations before the war even started.
Pacifism works only if everyone’s a pacifist.
A mohammedan following Mohammed’s orders won’t be impressed by it. He’ll just kill you and rape your wife and daughter, after which he’d enslave them.
August 21st, 2010 | 6:53 am | #38
Expat, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. At least this week. Not taking an action because you think it will give the muslims cause to complain virtually guarantees that you’ll be bowing to Mecca before you can spit. If they do not have “cause” to complain, they will find cause and if they cannot find it they will invent it as they have done innumerable times previously. If you don’t understand that, then you understand nothing at all.
August 21st, 2010 | 7:01 am | #43
This ideology is NOT a religion, it is a totalitarian regime of world domination. The terrorists are the front-line soldiers, receiving widespread financial and theological support. The rest submit to the dictates and profess piety while murder and mayhem are waged on behalf of world domination in their name.
This tyranny would only permit religions to exist as subservient, second-class citizens, and paying extra taxes.
To Wading Across, it seems as if you are not only preaching pacifism, but trying mightily to convince others to be so as well.
We’re all well aware of the Christian message of tolerance and good faith. Do that for too long, and you end up in bondage, or dead.
August 21st, 2010 | 7:02 am | #44
August 21st, 2010 | 6:25 am | #24
There is a group of people who can stop this outrage in its tracks – Union Labor.
Labor unions by definition hold out for more pay, they will eventually build it. Labor unions support the democrat party, who in turn support the moslems and sharia law. Don’t put any faith in the unions to do the right thing, they’ll disappoint you.
We all need to fight this attack on whatever front is available to us. This 911 victory hamosque is no different than a dog pissing and marking its territory.
If the moslems get their way burning flags will be the least of our problems.
Granny, thank you for your insight.
August 21st, 2010 | 7:06 am | #45
This is a great idea. Yes, it’s a crude gesture to burn Korans; but Islam is hardly a refined faith. The majority of its followers are neither respectful nor tolerant of those of other faiths, and so they do not deserve our kind treatment.
As for the rare “moderate” Muslims (isn’t it sick that there’s such a term in common use? Sick, that we get excited when we hear a Muslim come out and call a terrorist organization a terrorist organization), I feel for them. It would be wonderful if Islam could be reformed as they hope, but I have my doubts, as for such to happen, Muslims worldwide would have to repudiate much of the Koran and the Hadiths. I myself am an agnostic; I practice no religion. But I know faith is important to most people. So, if moderate Muslims seek to maintain a relationship with God, perhaps they might find fulfillment by converting to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or Buddhism — to any religion that does not divide the world into a House of Believers and a House of War.
Though in fact, a lot of moderate Muslims are already doing just that. We may not hear about it much, but the rumblings are there: conversions out of Islam are on the rise, and the trend looks only to increase. And no wonder: It must be a terrible burden for many Muslims, to feel obliged to hate and wage eternal war against non-Muslims in the name of God; and they must feel such tremendous relief, when at last they find a gentler, more personal and spiritual way to worship.
The Elector of Saxony
August 21st, 2010 | 8:03 am | #58
“Come to Europe and see it with your own eyes.”
Andreas, our media hides the situation in Britain and in Europe from us. During the Islamic insurrection in France, the media here reported “unemployed French youths are burning cars in the suburbs of Paris”. The murder of Theo Van Gogh was only reported on through the blog communities, and of course, anytime Geert Wilders or the BNP are mentioned…you guessed it. Nazis.
Individual Americans are smart, but collectively we are quite stupid. We are already allowing our borders to be overrun in an invasion that is destabilizing the economies of our Southwestern states, turning vast swaths of America into 3rd world hellholes that resemble Somalia today more than they do Houston or Los Angeles of 30 years ago. Yet, almost half of us mumble some nonsense about fairness and equality, and hope and pray that things will get better, and if they don’t? Well, we’ll get a taco while Rome burns.
Islam is coming in what can only be described as the second arm of a pincer movement, and yet even our conservative party wants to mouth the platitudes of “religion of peace”, equality, justice, diversity, freedom of religion, blah blah blah.
Our media is helping by hiding the fact that Islam is imposing its will on Europe and Britain so that we won’t insist upon stopping it here. I don’t care what my Lefts masters say, Islam is a barbaric, backward, vile tribe of people who should be kept away from us by any means necessary.
August 21st, 2010 | 8:39 am | #65
Chip, this is not just about spreading the Gospel. This is about your right to even have a Gospel to spread. This is, in fact, a war.
All during WWII, hundreds of thousands of our Jewish brethren made no attempt to lift a finger in self defense, in the name of these very same principles. It wasn’t just Chamberlain who tried to appease Hitler. It was Jewish communities all over Europe. It was people right here in the USA.
Our Founding Fathers & Mothers did not appease the British King. They fought for what they believed. The fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto, those who rebelled at Sobibor, the Bielski brothers, who walked into ghettos and rescued more Jews directly under the noses of Hitler’s minions that even Schindler saved – they all fought for what they believed in. And in every single case there were those to say that this was against religion, it wasn’t “correct”, that is was useless or crass or a stunt. And yet, they won.
There comes a time when you must not only pay lip service to what you believe, you must lay your property, your reputation and even your life on the line and fight for it. To do otherwise is to deny your belief. Our founders knew this. Those who won through in WWII knew this. Every generation must win freedom anew.
The members of this little backwater church have decided that their time has come to stand and fight. Every single time that we as a society allow ourselves to be cowed & silenced we deny the very principles on which we were built.
August 21st, 2010 | 8:51 am | #71
Sorry, this is an idiotic thing to do. “Burn a Koran Day”??? Give me a break! That’s not free speech, that’s deliberate provocation, inciting unrest and inviting an attack.
Like all fights, the fight against the expansion of Islam requires prudence. This isn’t a prudent act it’s a STUPID one.
August 21st, 2010 | 8:58 am | #73
Sorry Gail – virtually ALL political speech is “free speech”. Even if it is provactive. In fact, political speech is the reason we have Freedom of Speech.
August 21st, 2010 | 9:25 am | #80
Wow there is so much to say regarding this topic. One of the most interesting discussions I’ve come across on the net.
For starters, this is a great example of how widespread the brainwashing is. To read some of these comments you’d think that Islam IS a religion of peace. Ah, but they don’t call it a cancer for no reason.
As would be the case for burning one of the Bamster’s autobiographies, the only legitimate argument for not burning the Koran, if these folks are truly aware of the consequences and still want to follow through with this, is that it would amount to bad PR and thus hurt our side and help the enemy (mooslims and the left). That is the ONLY reason, and that point is probably worth debating.
But it is my opinion that we are long past the point where we should be taking stands based on our principles (and like many others here have said islam is an obamination), letting the chips fall where they may and the sides be formed. So if these folks have their eyes open and want to take this courageous action, more power to them.
August 21st, 2010 | 9:31 am | #83
i don’t understand why anyone is worried about this event causing a problem, let alone some sort of violent response…..
after all, islam is a religion of peace.
August 21st, 2010 | 9:50 am | #88
we are damned if we do, damned if we don’t..
we had better wake up & take sides..
fact is we cannot see the forest through the trees..
Islamists burn Churches, Bibles
& Christians around the Globe..
self defense & the turn the other cheek myth
There is a difference in giving up personal
revenge and confronting evil in self defense.
foreigners no longer come to assimilate themselves to the American way,
they come to demand that America not only assimilate to their way, but accommodate & assist them in their struggle to dominate US..
we must defend ourselves against evil, not assist
it by turning the other cheek against ourselves..
August 21st, 2010 | 10:32 am | #110
Granny and Andreas K, you’ve taken some real nice cuts on this thread. Here are some of the highlights for those who might have just tuned in:
Without the koran there wouldn’t have been 9-11. Yes, it’s that simple. – Andreas K
Why shouldn’t we burn it? Out of respect? Respect for what? Respect for a fascist ideology that hides behind the shield of religion? An ideology that, without this shield, would be banned right away in all civilized countries? – Andreas K
By the way. Faith and believe? That’s no argument against burning it. There were people who prayed to Hitler. Not for him. To him. There were people in Nazi Germany BELIEVING that Hitler was second coming of Jesus. It was their FAITH. – Andreas K
Something tells me that the heroes who did their little bit to end the abominations of Hitler have a much better welcome waiting them than those who wrung their hands & pretended not to see. – Granny
Pacifism works only if everyone’s a pacifist. -Andreas K
Not taking an action because you think it will give the muslims cause to complain virtually guarantees that you’ll be bowing to Mecca before you can spit. If they do not have “cause” to complain, they will find cause and if they cannot find it they will invent it as they have done innumerable times previously. If you don’t understand that, then you understand nothing at all. – Granny
Chip, this is not just about spreading the Gospel. This is about your right to even have a Gospel to spread. This is, in fact, a war. – Granny
There comes a time when you must not only pay lip service to what you believe, you must lay your property, your reputation and even your life on the line and fight for it. – Granny
Every single time that we as a society allow ourselves to be cowed & silenced we deny the very principles on which we were built. – Granny
August 21st, 2010 | 10:35 am | #111
the enemy of civilization, as we have been repetitively warned by both anti-Islamist Muslims & non-Muslims in the know is Political Islam aka: Sharia Law… Islamism is a religious cult of POLITICS…
[Jasser founded AIFD in the wake of the 9/11 attacks in order to provide a Muslim American voice that would genuinely advocate and defend the founding principles of the U.S. Constitution. He has taken the fight against radical Islam to heart and sees it as a responsibility of all “true” Muslims. Where many U.S.-based Islamic organizations, such as CAIR and the Islamic Society of North America, claim to support the U.S. Constitution but provide dodgy answers and shoddy excuses for terrorism when the rubber meets the road, Dr. Jasser’s AIFD is based on the founding principles of the United States. Where CAIR’s rhetoric tends to create a tension between Americans and its Muslim members, the rhetoric of Jasser and AIFD refers to Americans as an “us” and not a “them.”
“I have always looked upon myself, long before 9-11, as a Jeffersonian Muslim, if you will,” Dr. Jasser answers when asked about his identification as a Muslim. “Along with the ideas of liberty as embodied in the works of our founding fathers, naturally emanating from that is a deep antipathy for Islamism (political Islam), salafism, jihadism, governmental sharia, and the global collectivist movement of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
Terms such as “moderate,” “secular,” and “radical” are innately controversial as any group is able to contort them to mean what they want. For example, Jasser posits, the term “moderate” has become synonymous with being non-violent or anti-terrorism. But this is an oversimplification that blinds Americans to the very political ideologies — which he identifies as “Islamism” — that are the cogs and gears of terrorism.
“I know everyone is looking for an easy label to know the ‘good Muslim’ from the ‘bad Muslim,’” Jasser continues, “but … I believe that the ‘anti-Islamist’ or at least ‘non-Islamist’ Muslims are on our side and the pro-Islamist Muslims, those who believe in the Islamic state and governmental sharia, are not on our side but on the side of political Islam.”]
anti-Islamist Muslims have been reaching out, they have been, and still are warning US… unfortunately, the powers that be are not only silencing them, but for all intents & purposes, are in communion with Islamists against them…
UPDATE 22 AUG 2010: Great article by Doug Giles regarding feminist active smears of Sarah Palin — whose life is the epitome of feminist ideals — while they are silent on Islamic Shari’a Law, which is the absolute antithesis of feminist principles:
Nope, the fems’ fixation remains on Palin. Palin is the threat. Palin is the She Devil. Palin is the one who gets the nasty jabs — and not Islam and the potential spread of Sharia from sea to shining sea.
I know what you fembots are thinking: Sharia can’t happen here, right? Cha? Yes, we’d never allow Muslims to take us back to Bedrock legislatively. And I’m equally sure that’s what our snaggle-toothed feminist cousins in the UK thought right up until September 2008.
Facts be damned, however. For the feminists, the menacing foe they have to stave off remains Sarah and not Sharia.
Last time I checked, liberal lassies, Mrs. Palin does not believe that …
– Women are inferior to men.
– Women should have fewer rights and responsibilities than Larry the Cable Guy.
– Women count for one-half of a dude in giving evidence in a court of law.
– Women should be horse whipped if they ever make their husband feel like a dork.
– Victoria’s Secret Miraculous Bra (with extreme level 5 cleavage) makes God angry.
– Women can’t say squat in regard to whom they’ll marry, what they’ll wear, where they’ll live, or whether or not they can divorce their cheating and/or abusive husband.
– Girls can be wed beginning at the ripe old age of frickin’ nine.
– Women should be cool with hubby having a couple of hoochies or female slaves on the side.
– Women, on the pretext of “honor,” should be locked up, isolated and unable to have a girls’ night out at Mango’s on Ocean Drive.
Yep, last time I checked, Miss Sarah ain’t down with the above, but you know who is? I’ll tell you (because your lack of Ground Zero Mosque angst is auguring for the return to the cave man era): the Crapslinger Extraordinaire, Ground Zero’s grand zero, male chauvinist Imam Abtool Rauf.
Another great article today in the American Thinker by Sally Humhorth: Islam is the New Communism
Paul Hsieh wrote an excellent article about America’s weakness in regards to the war against terrorists. However, he claimed that the mosque is distracting us from the real issue of Iran’s nuclear weapons program. I respectfully disagree. The real issue is that we are fighting a war with Islam. The mosque, rather than distracting America, has brought her full attention to it. [ … ]
This is has been a difficult road, because Americans are benevolent and naïve concerning Islam. They are used to freedom of religion and they find it hard to condemn one. And that is precisely the problem, Americans see Islam as only a religion. It is not just a religion, it is also a sophisticated, detailed political ideology with the expressed goal of taking over the entire world by any means at its disposal, even if it includes lying and killing. Americans need to think of it as a social/political ideology, but they are so used to separating religion from politics (which was a first at the time of our country’s founding) that they keep giving Islam the benefit of the doubt.
Frank Langan, site superintendent from Queens working at ground zero, says he is on the fence on the matter. When construction workers started to protest working on the mosque, he made a statement that is typical of people who are undecided about this issue, “It’s a tough debate. I sympathize with workers’ position, but at the same time, you can’t single out all Muslims because of a small number of terrorists.” That would be like saying, you can’t single out all Communists because of a small number of Communists. They are all Communists if they subscribe to the Communist ideology, and just like Communism has an ideology, so does Islam. Any Muslim who is truly innocent, must renounce Islam like other courageous Muslims such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Wafa Sultan. Not to do so, means that he still considers us as the enemy and supports the downfall of the United States.
Separation of church and state is something we take for granted. Islam does not separate the two. And Islam is the new Communism.
The always excellent Andrew McCarthy has a great take on this issue as well, in his latest article (via BigPeace): Which Islam Will Prevail in America? — That is the real question at hand in the Ground Zero mosque debate.
The real battle for religious freedom lurks beneath the Ground Zero mosque controversy. It is sadly ironic that our public debate presents the mosque proponents as the partisans of liberty: That includes everyone from imam Feisal Rauf, the project’s sharia-touting sponsor, to President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, and the rest of the Islamist-smitten Left, to the GOP’s own anti-anti-terrorist wing. Yet, wittingly or not, when they champion this mosque and its sponsors, it is the agenda of an alien and authoritarian Islam that they champion — an Islam against which many American Muslims chafe.
When it comes to liberty, no one in this society has been given a wider berth than the Islamists, the purveyors of this authoritarian Islam, which is the mainstream Islam of the Middle East. Their vise grip on the American Muslim community has been cinched for two decades by the government, the media, and the academy. For our post-American ruling class, “Islamic outreach” means prostituting themselves for Saudi largesse; it means putting the “moderate” label on the Muslim Brotherhood — the Saudi-backed saboteurs whose American operatives boldly promise to “eliminate and destroy Western Civilization from within.”
The victims of this lethal charade include American Muslims. They, too, crave religious liberty and Western enlightenment. Our elites abandon them to the sharia-mongers. That freedom destroyers have been allowed to pose as freedom defenders ought to tell mosque opponents something: We have done a poor job of explaining the stakes.
[ … ] By contrast, American Muslims grasp that 9/11 was an attack on their country, too. Their emerging leaders, such as Zuhdi Jasser and Steven Schwartz, have started organizations — respectively, the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and the Center for Islamic Pluralism — that promote freedom and offer Muslims an escape from the Brotherhood’s clutches. As Messrs. Jasser and Schwartz relate, American Muslims understand the significance of Ground Zero to our nation, to the families of those who were slaughtered, and to the enemy against whom we are still fighting. They know that, in contrast to the innate intolerance of sharia states, the United States opens its arms to people of all faiths, including Muslims. Like Ms. Manji, they are struggling, against daunting opposition, to forge an Islam that embraces Western values, that reveres religious faith but denies it temporal authority.
The Ground Zero mosque controversy is not about religious liberty for Muslims. It is about which Islam will thrive in the United States: the one that is fighting Americans, or the one American Muslims are fighting for.
Heh. Great comment in response to this post at “This Ain’t Hell” regarding Obama (once again) celebrating Islam: I’m Just Sayin’…
Adirondack Patriot Says:
August 13th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Where was Obama on the issue of the Mojave Desert Cross, which was located on private property?
Guess it was the wrong religion.
And when it came to the Israelis building apartments in East Jerusalem, Vice President Bite-Me and Secretary of State Clinton both condemned the plan, even though it was entirely legal and located on Israeli land.
Guess it was the wrong religion.
He’s not the President. He’s the Ayatollah of America.
Great post by Jan LaRue at The American Thinker regarding the Islamic Mosque being built near the site of the worst Islamic terrorist attack on American soil, Ground Zero. Jan makes a great argument in “The Manhattan Mosque and Women” that this supposed “community center” for “understanding” has more of a need in every nation in the Muslim World (ie Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Indonesia) where the barbaric practice of Islamic shari’a law (‘honor’ killings, subjugation of women, murdering of homosexuals, etc) still takes place today.
Rauf insists that “[r]ather than fear Shariah law, we should understand what it actually is. Then we can encourage Muslim countries to make the changes that achieve the essence of fairness and justice that are at the root of Islam.”
Who really thinks that bin Laden and the Taliban are primed to receive an education in Islam from “the Great Satan”?
If Rauf is so captivated by America’s system of laws, he should take his education act on the road to the Islamic-controlled nations and terrorist states whose barbaric practices make him “cringe.” If he’s serious about “[a]dvocating for human rights, including higher standards for the treatment of women,” as he claims, he should open his mosque where women actually need “higher standards” of treatment. Take for example Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran — please.
Instead of wasting critical time “educating” Americans on the true teaching and values of Islam, he should educate those Muslims whom he says have “hijacked” its meaning in the name of terrorism and human rights abuses. How about focusing his efforts on those who are committing “honor” killings, which they believe is their duty under Islam?
How about Rauf having a face-to-face seminar for the Taliban wing of Shariah, educating them that sawing off a woman’s nose and ears is an extremist distortion of Islam? The face on Time is the face of Afghan women who fear that the U.S. with its Judeo-Christian based laws will abandon them.
And then there’s Iran, where Ashraf Kalhori has been imprisoned for two years, awaiting burial up to her neck and stoning to death for the preposterous crime of committing adultery all by herself. There’s no mention of the suffering of Kalhori on the imam’s website, much less any effort by him to help her.
Here’s a thought. Rauf could turn his fleet of lawyers loose from litigating on behalf of his Manhattan mosque to file a brief on behalf of Kalhori in the Iranian court. The last time we checked, there aren’t any American women or girls about to be stoned by Americans.
While he’s at it, he could implore our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to have the State Department do a tad more than just urge Iran to change its method of executing innocent women. Surely America’s self-proclaimed champion of women’s rights can take time from transporting the legalized slaughter of unborn women to other nations.
Since Rauf uses Jesus Christ to support the roots of “true” Islam, he ought to study the Master in action when He stopped a mob intent on stoning a woman allegedly “taken in adultery.” He did so by confronting them with the Mosaic Law they were perverting in their craven effort to trap Christ between a stone and a hard place. Christ stepped between the helpless woman and the mob. He didn’t waste His time and her life educating people far removed from the practice of stoning.
As a rejoinder to those who will no doubt point to non-Muslim men in America who’ve killed or maimed their wives and daughters, consider: The evil cowards may try to hide behind an insanity defense, but American law does not allow them to hide behind “honor” in the name of our God.
Jed Skillman brings up more great points in his American Thinker article “The Monument at Ground Zero“:
My point, rather, is this: Those who erected that statue intended the image of Columbus to reflect and honor the noble characteristics of Vision, Courage, and Resolve. They intended it to be viewed as symbol of the power of right idea and inspired enlightenment as a direct challenge to ignorance and superstition. And for quite a while, the statue of Columbus stood as a representation of those very things. But then we arrived at the era of postmodern Liberalism, and out of the classrooms and intellectual enclaves came political correctness, revisionist history, and the image of The Ugly American. Things changed, or were made to change. Immediately following World War II, there seemed to be a deep need in some to take a little of the shine off the U.S. The United States was no longer depicted as a beacon to mankind but as a plundering bully that needed to be cut down to size. To some in this country — and every year, hordes of them come out of the woodwork around October 12 — the image of Christopher Columbus was made to represent the exact opposite of Freedom, Enterprise, and the power of Mind.
Interesting, isn’t it, how a monument erected to noble ideals can be remade instead into a symbol of “genocide and oppression”?
Let us now consider another monument, recently approved by state and local leaders to be built in lower Manhattan, a block from the hole in the ground known as “Ground Zero.”
Less than nine years after the 9/11 attack — the “Day America Will Never Forget” — state and city officials in New York have cleared the way for a proposed fifteen-story mosque, or Islamic “culture center,” just paces away from the hole. While nothing has yet been built on the actual site of Ground Zero, the mosque zipped through zoning and landmark hearings untouched by city and state bureaucrats and unscathed by citizen protests. New York Mayor Richard Bloomberg and Democratic gubernatorial candidate Andrew Cuomo were both early supporters of the project. Much of official media sees nothing wrong or disrespectful about it. Words like “insensitive”, “tacky,” and “in poor taste” have had no place in the conversation, nor have words like “vile” and “obscene.” In the minds of our current officialdom, the issue is one of America’s lack of religious freedom and tolerance — and officialdom is all about tolerance of religion, don’t you know.
So, here it is: To the American Left, this mosque represents a gooey dose of feel-good inclusiveness. It provides a platform for them to lecture and talk down to the public on the subject of America’s perceived moral shortcomings while at the same time allowing them to act as enablers for a religion including many members who wish for the destruction of America. It’s a win/win.
Well, here’s what that mosque will truly represent: To Islamist fanatics, it will represent a victory over what they perceive as a corrupt and complacent America. To them, America is a “weak horse”; we can be had, and official approval of this mosque just nine years after the slaughter at this particular location serves as living proof.
But to us regular citizens, living in the burroughs, across the Hudson, or out here in flyover country, driving our seven-year-old cars and happy to have our families together, that mosque represents the dangerous fecklessness of the Left. It is another symptom of timidity when common sense is called for. It is the disease of the Arizona border issue spread to New York City. That mosque will stand as a testament for every modern liberal who never missed a chance to call Ronald Reagan a “warmonger” but finds Islam a “religion of peace.” Additionally, if actually built, it will be a testament to shortsighted Islamic overreach. Erected as a chip-on-the-shoulder challenge to the United States, it will sooner or later be knocked flat.
No one contemplating this building as they pass on their way to pay respects at Ground Zero will have to have lost loved ones that day to understand the meaning of that building. We all know that not just New York was attacked, but all of America. And we all will see this building as an insult to the three thousand people who were crushed or burned alive that September 11. This mosque, at fifteen stories tall, will memorialize two hundred souls per floor. And every brick, every stone will represent Progressive Liberalism’s astonishing preference to defend everyone else’s position, but not ours.